Nat'l Security Nearly 20% of Texans in favor of Secceeding from Union - Page 6

Taco John · 04-17-2009, 12:45 PM

Friday, April 17, 2009

Thirty-one percent (31%) of Texas voters say that their state has the right to secede from the United States and form an independent country.

However, the latest Rasmussen Reports poll in the state finds that if the matter was put to a vote, it wouldn’t even be close. Three-fourths (75%) of Lone Star State voters would opt to remain in the United States. Only 18% would vote to secede, and seven percent (7%) are not sure what they'd choose.

Texas Governor Rick Perry, in response to a reporter’s question about secession at a protest "tea party," said Wednesday, "We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that? But Texas is a very unique place, and we're a pretty independent lot to boot." The comment was widely reported in the media.

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The underlying views of Texans about government are generally similar to those in the rest of the nation. By a 73% to 11% margin, Texans trust the collective judgment of the American people more than the judgment of political leaders.

By a 62% to 21% margin, voters in Perry’s state believe that big business and big government typically work together against the interests of consumers and investors. And, by a 63% to 24% margin, Texans view the federal government itself as a special interest group.

Overall, seven percent (7%) of Texas voters have views that align with America’s Political Class or lean in that direction. Fifty-two percent (52%) of Texans hold views that can be considered populist or Mainstream. Nationally, those figures are seven percent (7%) for the Political Class and 55% for the Mainstream view.

When “leaners” are included, 15% of Texans can be counted as somewhat supportive of the Political Class while 73% hold the opposite perspective.

Texas voters who view the federal government as a special interest group are evenly divided as to whether or not their state has the right to secede. However, two-thirds (64%) of those who view the federal government as a special interest group would still vote to stay in the union rather than secede.

Nationally, the divide between the Mainstream and the Political Class is clear on an issue like immigration. While 66% of voters nationwide say it is Very Important for the government to improve its enforcement of the borders and reduce illegal immigration, just 32% of America’s Political Class agrees.

The secession question was prompted by "tea parties" nationwide on April 15 to express frustration about the high level of new federal government spending. But President Obama has maintained solid approval ratings over the past month in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll.

In recent weeks, short-term expectations for the economy have improved dramatically, but longer-term expectations have moved in the opposite direction. Sixty percent (60%) of Americans now say it will take three years or longer for housing prices to recover. Confidence in the U.S. banking system is up slightly since February, though.

The Rasmussen Consumer and Investor Indexes, which measure confidence on a daily basis, ended a four-day skid on Friday.

In Texas, Perry finds himself in a challenging environment for reelection as he seeks an unprecedented third consecutive term as governor. Another Republican, Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, will be running against him. Hutchison is viewed favorably by 67% of voters statewide, Perry by 55%.

Twenty-five percent (25%) have a Very Favorable opinion of Hutchison while only five percent (5%) of Texas voters have a Very Unfavorable opinion of her. For Perry, the numbers are 19% Very Favorable and 19% Very Unfavorable.

Among Republicans, Hutchison earns positive reviews from 83%, Perry from 78%.

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KILLER_CLOWN · 04-19-2009, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

Actually I think it would be interesting to see Texas secede, then become the libertarian wet dream Ron Paul supporters dream of. Then they would see just how unrealistic their beliefs are.

Secession would be a last ditch effort if states rights are not upheld, that being said if Ron Paul took office he wouldn't get a free pass from me. I would hold his feet to the fire just like anyone else in public office SERVING the people. This isn't a sports team and if i vote for someone i don't cheer their every move, it's our job as Americans to scrutinize those serving us.

Jenson71 · 04-20-2009, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SBK

I remember when I was in college and knew everything.

Now I just think you're joking with me.

BucEyedPea · 04-20-2009, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

Actually I think it would be interesting to see Texas secede, then become the libertarian wet dream Ron Paul supporters dream of. Then they would see just how unrealistic their beliefs are.

I'd rather see Iowa and some states secede in a spotty checkered fashion so we could be like Swiss cheese. Texas would just be another Canada. What's fun about that?

Oh, and if a state secedes it doesn't have to be permanent...they could always come back ( once the Feds heel). Afterall, it's a voluntary union and I'm sure they'd be welcomed back.

SHTSPRAYER · 04-20-2009, 09:11 AM

California's latest economic recession – unemployment hit 11.2 percent last month, fourth highest in the nation – has regenerated our perpetual squabble over whether the state's high taxes and regulatory climate have rendered it inhospitable to job-creating investment.
A conservative organization called the American Legislative Exchange Council says that's exactly what's happened, rating the state 43rd in the nation in economic competitiveness and citing its high taxes and regulation as the reasons.
The organization's recent report, entitled "Rich States, Poor States," devotes two entire chapters to California, one of which contrasts the state with supposedly business-friendly Texas.
"California continues to increase regulations, raise taxes and spend profligately," says the report, co-written by economist Arthur Laffer. "Texas, on the other hand, has a pro-growth economic environment with a competitive tax system, sound regulations and spending discipline that will help Texas maintain its superior performance well into the future."
In that vein, Republican legislators have dreamed up a media stunt, an unofficial hearing in Reno this week, to publicize what they say is a flight of business to neighboring Nevada.
"California is experiencing an unemployment crisis as tens of thousands of our neighbors have lost their jobs," Assemblyman Dan Logue, R-Linda, said. "We are going to ground zero – Nevada – to understand why businesses have left California and how we can change our state's approach to prevent more from leaving."
There is, however, no empirical evidence of a massive business migration out of California to low-tax states such as Nevada or Texas, as superficially logical as that might seem to some.
Read more at

http://www.sacbee.com/walters/story/1792740.html

sACraMento BeE NA! /moonbat off

ILChief · 04-20-2009, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

Unless Ron Paul can pull off a miracle, Texas will never occupy the White House again.

Isn't Ron Paul older than John McCain? He'll be doing well to be alive during the next presidential election.

wild1 · 04-20-2009, 06:59 PM

My main problem with this idea is, why the hell do we conservatives have to get out? Why should we surrender the whole country to the whackadoo left? We were here first. If they want to live in socialist utopia, it's one continent over. We were here first. If you want this place you're gonna have to fight us for it.

wild1 · 04-20-2009, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenson71

Now I just think you're joking with me.

He's not. I remember when I was in college. I also knew everything.

ILChief · 04-20-2009, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by wild1

My main problem with this idea is, why the hell do we conservatives have to get out? Why should we surrender the whole country to the whackadoo left? We were here first. If they want to live in socialist utopia, it's one continent over. We were here first. If you want this place you're gonna have to fight us for it.

what happened the last time the red states fought the blue states?

wild1 · 04-20-2009, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ILChief

what happened the last time the red states fought the blue states?

Eventually they exchanged colors.

ILChief · 04-20-2009, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by wild1

My main problem with this idea is, why the hell do we conservatives have to get out? Why should we surrender the whole country to the whackadoo left? We were here first. If they want to live in socialist utopia, it's one continent over. We were here first. If you want this place you're gonna have to fight us for it.

you don't have to leave. But you have to deal with the results of our elections, must like those of us on the Democratic side dealt with Bush. Sure we pissed and moaned, but you know what? If Obama sucks as bad as you think, he'll lose and your guy will win.

sportsman1 · 04-20-2009, 07:24 PM

So what the Republicans can be liberal democrats, while the democrats are socialists?

splatbass · 04-20-2009, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by wild1

We were here first.

No, you weren't. Modern day political labels don't fit the founding fathers, but they certainly weren't modern day Republicans.

googlegoogle · 04-20-2009, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

Aww...you gonna' take your ball and go home?

Typical GOP; tax the shit out of the working man, try to destroy the Unions for the sake of their "right to starve" bullshit, and cry "foul" when taxes go to anything that doesn't fund war.

Go ahead and secede; we'll civil war your asses back to the ****ing stone age this time, and I'll be happily leading the bloody charge.

I would be happy to build the nuke that blows up your f-ing city.

LOL. At first you tell us to leave and then want to wage war. And funny you peaceful people only get pissed when people don't want to pay taxes or cede from the union. Seeing dumbass comments like this makes me for it even more!

And you would lose dipshit.

Jenson71 · 04-20-2009, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by wild1

He's not. I remember when I was in college. I also knew everything.

And now you're ignorant. Sorry.

wild1 · 04-20-2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenson71

And now you're ignorant. Sorry.

I'll take your opinions under advisement once you have lived in the real world for a while...

04-17-2009, 12:45 PM
Taco John 12on Paul Join Date: Jun 2001 Casino cash: $10084482	Nearly 20% of Texans in favor of Secceeding from Union Friday, April 17, 2009 Thirty-one percent (31%) of Texas voters say that their state has the right to secede from the United States and form an independent country. However, the latest Rasmussen Reports poll in the state finds that if the matter was put to a vote, it wouldn’t even be close. Three-fourths (75%) of Lone Star State voters would opt to remain in the United States. Only 18% would vote to secede, and seven percent (7%) are not sure what they'd choose. Texas Governor Rick Perry, in response to a reporter’s question about secession at a protest "tea party," said Wednesday, "We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that? But Texas is a very unique place, and we're a pretty independent lot to boot." The comment was widely reported in the media. (Want a free daily e-mail update? Sign up now. If it's in the news, it's in our polls.) Rasmussen Reports updates also available on Twitter. The underlying views of Texans about government are generally similar to those in the rest of the nation. By a 73% to 11% margin, Texans trust the collective judgment of the American people more than the judgment of political leaders. By a 62% to 21% margin, voters in Perry’s state believe that big business and big government typically work together against the interests of consumers and investors. And, by a 63% to 24% margin, Texans view the federal government itself as a special interest group. Overall, seven percent (7%) of Texas voters have views that align with America’s Political Class or lean in that direction. Fifty-two percent (52%) of Texans hold views that can be considered populist or Mainstream. Nationally, those figures are seven percent (7%) for the Political Class and 55% for the Mainstream view. When “leaners” are included, 15% of Texans can be counted as somewhat supportive of the Political Class while 73% hold the opposite perspective. Texas voters who view the federal government as a special interest group are evenly divided as to whether or not their state has the right to secede. However, two-thirds (64%) of those who view the federal government as a special interest group would still vote to stay in the union rather than secede. Nationally, the divide between the Mainstream and the Political Class is clear on an issue like immigration. While 66% of voters nationwide say it is Very Important for the government to improve its enforcement of the borders and reduce illegal immigration, just 32% of America’s Political Class agrees. The secession question was prompted by "tea parties" nationwide on April 15 to express frustration about the high level of new federal government spending. But President Obama has maintained solid approval ratings over the past month in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll. In recent weeks, short-term expectations for the economy have improved dramatically, but longer-term expectations have moved in the opposite direction. Sixty percent (60%) of Americans now say it will take three years or longer for housing prices to recover. Confidence in the U.S. banking system is up slightly since February, though. The Rasmussen Consumer and Investor Indexes, which measure confidence on a daily basis, ended a four-day skid on Friday. In Texas, Perry finds himself in a challenging environment for reelection as he seeks an unprecedented third consecutive term as governor. Another Republican, Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, will be running against him. Hutchison is viewed favorably by 67% of voters statewide, Perry by 55%. Twenty-five percent (25%) have a Very Favorable opinion of Hutchison while only five percent (5%) of Texas voters have a Very Unfavorable opinion of her. For Perry, the numbers are 19% Very Favorable and 19% Very Unfavorable. Among Republicans, Hutchison earns positive reviews from 83%, Perry from 78%. Please sign up for the Rasmussen Reports daily e-mail update (it’s free)… let us keep you up to date with the latest public opinion news. See survey questions and toplines. Crosstabs available for Premium Members only. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...75_opt_to_stay
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SHTSPRAYER Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Autosodomy NJ Casino cash: $14414	California's latest economic recession – unemployment hit 11.2 percent last month, fourth highest in the nation – has regenerated our perpetual squabble over whether the state's high taxes and regulatory climate have rendered it inhospitable to job-creating investment. A conservative organization called the American Legislative Exchange Council says that's exactly what's happened, rating the state 43rd in the nation in economic competitiveness and citing its high taxes and regulation as the reasons. The organization's recent report, entitled "Rich States, Poor States," devotes two entire chapters to California, one of which contrasts the state with supposedly business-friendly Texas. "California continues to increase regulations, raise taxes and spend profligately," says the report, co-written by economist Arthur Laffer. "Texas, on the other hand, has a pro-growth economic environment with a competitive tax system, sound regulations and spending discipline that will help Texas maintain its superior performance well into the future." In that vein, Republican legislators have dreamed up a media stunt, an unofficial hearing in Reno this week, to publicize what they say is a flight of business to neighboring Nevada. "California is experiencing an unemployment crisis as tens of thousands of our neighbors have lost their jobs," Assemblyman Dan Logue, R-Linda, said. "We are going to ground zero – Nevada – to understand why businesses have left California and how we can change our state's approach to prevent more from leaving." There is, however, no empirical evidence of a massive business migration out of California to low-tax states such as Nevada or Texas, as superficially logical as that might seem to some. Read more at http://www.sacbee.com/walters/story/1792740.html sACraMento BeE NA! /moonbat off
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