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Old 10-13-2007, 11:31 PM  
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Yeah, so I saw a lot of movies this weekend.

Elizabeth: The Golden Age - Mediocre, at best. Slow and dragged on. Shorten it to 2 hours and it's golden. It's not, so it fails.

Michael Clayton - Amazing. Everything about it is awesome. However, it's VERY complex and mind bending. You have to think, so be prepared. I still feel like I'm missing key details of exactly what happened. Gotta see it again.

Across the Universe - Perfect is one word that comes to mind. It just works. And, contrary to many people I bet, the movie is best viewed sober. Trust me.
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:23 AM   #3091
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No, it's not just cutting the scenes in a particular order ala PF or even reversing the time line; it's non-linear.

His human mind is capable of knowing only what a human mind can know. As things begin to "get strange", his mind/spirit is expanding slowly beyond it's known, physical borders because he is no longer bound by them.
I'll take your word for it. I still don't understand why Donnie would be dead throughout the entire film. But I suspect there are a lot of fantastical theories about physical borders and mind/spirit cleverness that would make little sense to me unless I poured my interest into it.
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:26 AM   #3092
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I'll take your word for it. I still don't understand why Donnie would be dead throughout the entire film. But I suspect there are a lot of fantastical theories about physical borders and mind/spirit cleverness that would make little sense to me unless I poured my interest into it.
Don't feel bad, hardly anyone "got it" on their own at the time.
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:47 AM   #3093
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Don't feel bad, hardly anyone "got it" on their own at the time.
After seeing it, I thought I had a basic understanding of it. Kid is saved because he hears rabbit telling him to come out. He has schizo to some degree. He learns how to travel through time. Decides that not being saved would be better for everyone and goes back through time to have engine fall on him. Okay, made sense. But nooo. Looking at imdb.com offers no help. The FAQ is going on about Tangent and Primary Universes.

And now it's clear that I didn't see the Director's Cut, just the theatrical version. Perhaps the DC allows more explanation and maybe I'll get to it eventually. But it's not a huge desire.
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Old 07-27-2009, 01:02 AM   #3094
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After seeing it, I thought I had a basic understanding of it. Kid is saved because he hears rabbit telling him to come out. He has schizo to some degree. He learns how to travel through time. Decides that not being saved would be better for everyone and goes back through time to have engine fall on him. Okay, made sense. But nooo. Looking at imdb.com offers no help. The FAQ is going on about Tangent and Primary Universes.

And now it's clear that I didn't see the Director's Cut, just the theatrical version. Perhaps the DC allows more explanation and maybe I'll get to it eventually. But it's not a huge desire.
I see it as a living dream. It would be as if you or I woke up, went to work, and were able to make a pen fly, unconsciously, in to our hands because we needed to sign something.
You're taken aback, and you try to repeat the event but you can't because you're now thinking about it.
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Old 07-27-2009, 01:51 AM   #3095
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Just finished "The Prestige". With all the Bale fanboys in these parts, I'm surprised this movie doesn't get more pimp.

Jackman envy?
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Old 07-27-2009, 08:58 AM   #3096
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Just finished "The Prestige". With all the Bale fanboys in these parts, I'm surprised this movie doesn't get more pimp.

Jackman envy?
I thought it was great - awesome twist at the end, too.

It's just a couple of years old now.
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Old 07-27-2009, 09:09 AM   #3097
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I have the regular Donnie Darko on DVD and it has all the deleted scenes that ended up on the director's cut. One of the deleted scenes during the montaqe of characters at the end, is showing Donnie lying in his bed with a splintered 2x4 sticking through his chest. I think I would of left that scene in for clarity, because of discussions just like this. However, it is a gruelsome scene.

I believe the innovative use of music from the late 80's combined with the incredible cast of characters and such an original storyline make DD a 10 in my book.
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Old 07-27-2009, 09:34 AM   #3098
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I thought it was great - awesome twist at the end, too.

It's just a couple of years old now.
Around the middle, you pretty much figure out that there's something about his "companion" that isn't being revealed. And by the time you get to the first "gotcha", you pretty much know what's coming.
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:00 PM   #3099
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I have the regular Donnie Darko on DVD and it has all the deleted scenes that ended up on the director's cut. One of the deleted scenes during the montaqe of characters at the end, is showing Donnie lying in his bed with a splintered 2x4 sticking through his chest. I think I would of left that scene in for clarity, because of discussions just like this. However, it is a gruelsome scene.

I believe the innovative use of music from the late 80's combined with the incredible cast of characters and such an original storyline make DD a 10 in my book.
Heard the DC version left out the music....

i own the original, its def. different
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Old 07-27-2009, 09:29 PM   #3101
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Just finished "The Prestige". With all the Bale fanboys in these parts, I'm surprised this movie doesn't get more pimp.

Jackman envy?
I really enjoyed it. Good flick. Very well done. I'm sure it was thoroughly discussed awhile back.
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Old 07-28-2009, 12:36 AM   #3102
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Tonight I watched a movie called Blade Runner. Not sure if anyone's heard of it, but you might want to check it out.

So Blade Runner is about humanity and life and death. Already it deserves attention. The replicants, we are told, are less than human: they don't have empathy. At least that's what the corporate designer wants us to think. He is god, he is the decider.

But he's wrong. The replicants do have human emotions. They love, they want, and they cherish life. This desire, becoming a demand, for more leads a rebel replicant to violence and murder. He is played like a psychotic madman, but at the end, you feel bad for him. You empathize with him. I don't want to die so soon either, Roy. Especially neither do people with cancer or other terminal diseases. Wouldn't 150 years be nice?

Treating the replicants as slaves is as morally wrong as treating black people as slaves. So we say they are less than human, but why? Because they are made from humans? Are not other humans made from humans? Because they have no soul? From a Christian perspective, this is intriguing. We can consider this, though perhaps theologians and philosophers would help us greatly here. Oh well, we will give it our best. It is not the material that determines a spiritual soul made in the image of God and connected to Him. It is not the millions of atoms that compose our bodies. There are perhaps other life forms other than human that God granted spiritual souls on other planets in other solar systems in other galaxies in other clusters in other superclusters. As human beings, that we have a spiritual soul given by God to us is a belief from revelation. We don't know about what else, but we must consider that God is not limited to 'souling' us homosapiens alone.

My point is this: if we come into contact with other creatures, even those we make and consider artificial, and they exhibit displays of human like self-awareness and emotion, we must give it the benefit of the doubt that we are encountering a precious life we similar human dignity and that it would be wrong to deny them this. If our AI robot starts saying "I deserve better than this!" I think we need to listen up.

Blade Runner tackles this. And it does so in a fantastic way. Its vision is remarkable. The music, which offers us this calm amidst the storm, reminds me of Taxi Driver's. It allows the audience to breathe and sort this information out.

And Harrison Ford is just great in this. I couldn't believe it. He transcends his "action star" persona by miles.
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Tonight I watched a movie called Blade Runner. Not sure if anyone's heard of it, but you might want to check it out.

So Blade Runner is about humanity and life and death. Already it deserves attention. The replicants, we are told, are less than human: they don't have empathy. At least that's what the corporate designer wants us to think. He is god, he is the decider.

But he's wrong. The replicants do have human emotions. They love, they want, and they cherish life. This desire, becoming a demand, for more leads a rebel replicant to violence and murder. He is played like a psychotic madman, but at the end, you feel bad for him. You empathize with him. I don't want to die so soon either, Roy. Especially neither do people with cancer or other terminal diseases. Wouldn't 150 years be nice?

Treating the replicants as slaves is as morally wrong as treating black people as slaves. So we say they are less than human, but why? Because they are made from humans? Are not other humans made from humans? Because they have no soul? From a Christian perspective, this is intriguing. We can consider this, though perhaps theologians and philosophers would help us greatly here. Oh well, we will give it our best. It is not the material that determines a spiritual soul made in the image of God and connected to Him. It is not the millions of atoms that compose our bodies. There are perhaps other life forms other than human that God granted spiritual souls on other planets in other solar systems in other galaxies in other clusters in other superclusters. As human beings, that we have a spiritual soul given by God to us is a belief from revelation. We don't know about what else, but we must consider that God is not limited to 'souling' us homosapiens alone.

My point is this: if we come into contact with other creatures, even those we make and consider artificial, and they exhibit displays of human like self-awareness and emotion, we must give it the benefit of the doubt that we are encountering a precious life we similar human dignity and that it would be wrong to deny them this. If our AI robot starts saying "I deserve better than this!" I think we need to listen up.

Blade Runner tackles this. And it does so in a fantastic way. Its vision is remarkable. The music, which offers us this calm amidst the storm, reminds me of Taxi Driver's. It allows the audience to breathe and sort this information out.

And Harrison Ford is just great in this. I couldn't believe it. He transcends his "action star" persona by miles.
So you're seeing this for the first time since it's release over 27 years ago?

Don't get me wrong, I think it's great. Blade Runner is an excellent movie and it's special effects were awesome for the time.
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