Nat'l Security It's time for large # of troops to GTFO of Afghanistan.

**BigRedChief** · 02:55 PM

It's a no win situation for us. Brave Americans are fighting a war in which there is no hope of winning. In this type of war there will never be a "winner". All we are doing is providing easy targets for Taliban to kill.

We can't just ignore military history there and say our effort will be different.

We went into Afganistan with 1,300 troops. When the Taliban fell we had 2.500 troops on the ground. We now have 60,000 troops on the ground and the Taliban control 40-70% of the country's territory.

The new commander in Afghanistan says he sees no evidence of a large Al-Quaeda presense in Afghanistan. That is and will always be the only reason for us to be in Afghanistan. The only reason we are there in the first place. The only reason to sacrifice American lives.

I think we should hunt down and kill every single member of Al=Quaeda, no matter where they are hiding.

We shouldn't be sacrificing American lives to nation build in Afghanistan. Yeah, they want to go back to the 12th century but why should we sacrifice American lives to keep that from happening? Not worth it.

But if we leave the Taliban will take over swiftly and then provide a safe -haven for Al-Quaeda? We don't let that happen. We put cruise millsle up their azz. We send out the drones. We use special forces to take them out.

Edited:

I'm convinced that this is the right decision for these reasons.

We can't nation build in Afghanistan. We shouldn't be using our resources and sacrificing our troops to help them. Thats not why we are there. $300 billion spent so far. 900 brave Americans dead. Entering it's 9th year. Just when will it be enough?
The argument that the Taliban and Al-Quaeda will just come back may be true but there are several problems with that. Al-Quaeda can be anywhere in the world. So we keep them out of Afghanistan, they show up in Pakistan, Somalia, where ever. I read there is only 100 Al-Quaeda operatives in Afghanistan. There are probably more than that in the USA. If we keep them out of Afghanistan. they will just go some other place. We need a 21st century approach. We won't be able to defeat Al-Quaeda with conventional weapons and strategy. We can always go back in with surgical strikes to take out prime targets and more large scale attacks to prevent Al-Quaeda from establishing bases again. We can't let 100,000 Americans become easy to reach targets for Al-Quaeda.
The government is corrupt beyond repair. For those who want to nation build, how can you with a totally corrupt government that the people don't trust? Nation building won't work no matter how many troops or how much money you throw at the problem with a corrupt government distrusted by the people.
Afghanistan has no resources. What exactly are they going to make money at, build their country with? It would be a transfer of wealth from us to them.
The population outside of Kabul is run by drug overlords. The majority of the population works in the poppy fields because its the only way they can feed their family. How are we going to change that? Provide jobs for those people to feed their families? A lot of those poppy field profits are going right to the Taliban. Just how are you going to end this cycle without a major infusion of American money. Again, a transfer of wealth.

**Griswald** · 09-12-2009, 09:54 AM

Um, bro. this is exactly what I heard about Iraq 2-3 years ago

but the evil Bush administration had success in squashing insurgents in Iraq. are you saying the evil Bush can do something the mighty Obama can not?

The defeatist attitude is pathetic..I'm sorry. but I think some of us are forgetting about what took place here 8 years ago.

**Griswald** · 09-12-2009, 09:56 AM

and cruise missiles were tried during the Mighty Clinton admin..and we all know what kind of a deterrent that was..lol

**BigRedChief** · 09-12-2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by D2112

Um, bro. this is exactly what I heard about Iraq 2-3 years ago

but the evil Bush administration had success in squashing insurgents in Iraq. are you saying the evil Bush can do something the mighty Obama can not?

The defeatist attitude is pathetic..I'm sorry. but I think some of us are forgetting about what took place here 8 years ago.

I'm not advocating leaving Afganistan. I'm not advocating leaving the area. We still fight, but with our technology and special forces not 100,000 troops on the ground.

I've been more hawkish on this issue that most of the Republican posters on here. My views about going after Al-Quada were considered reckless and dangerous. Bur, we can't win. Irag was different. They were interested in peace. Afganistan only knows war.

**BigRedChief** · 09-12-2009, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by D2112

and cruise missiles were tried during the Mighty Clinton admin..and we all know what kind of a deterrent that was..lol

again, we use the drones and special forces. Thats a big difference. With the drones we can watch from the sky and strike at any moment. We will keep them from moving freely. And especially start up dafe havens for Al-Quaeda.

**Griswald** · 09-12-2009, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I'm not advocating leaving Afghanistan. I'm not advocating leaving the area. We still fight, but with our technology and special forces not 100,000 troops on the ground.

I've been more hawkish on this issue that most of the Republican posters on here. My views about going after Al-Quada were considered reckless and dangerous.

The military is asking for an increase in troop strength in Afghanistan. they're the professionals and probably know a lot more about the situation than me or you. so I'm inclined to go with what they think.

**BigRedChief** · 09-12-2009, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by D2112

The defeatist attitude is pathetic..I'm sorry. but I think some of us are forgetting about what took place here 8 years ago.

Did you read what I wrote about Al=Quaeda? We should hunt down and kill wvery Al=Quaeda member? Not exactly defeatist.

**Griswald** · 09-12-2009, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Did you read what I wrote about Al=Quaeda? We should hunt down and kill wvery Al=Quaeda member? Not exactly defeatist.

You need foot soldiers on the ground. there are thousands upon thousands of terrorists in the tribal regions of pakistan just waiting for us to leave so they can flock into Afghanistan. drones and cruise missiles wont stop the influx if we leave.

**BigRedChief** · 09-12-2009, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by D2112

The military is asking for an increase in troop strength in Afghanistan. they're the professionals and probably know a lot more about the situation than me or you. so I'm inclined to go with what they think.

And I would agree. But, this isn't a purely military decision. Yes, we will need more troops to control the sandbox. But is that what we want as a country? Whats our goal?

**Griswald** · 09-12-2009, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Did you read what I wrote about Al=Quaeda? We should hunt down and kill wvery Al=Quaeda member? Not exactly defeatist.

Yes, but that was tried before by the Clinton adm. and nothing happened.

WilliamInnerCircle · 09-12-2009, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by D2112

The military is asking for an increase in troop strength in Afghanistan. they're the professionals and probably know a lot more about the situation than me or you. so I'm inclined to go with what they think.

HonestChief says that our hands are tied by the ROG.

**BigRedChief** · 09-12-2009, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by D2112

Yes, but that was tried before by the Clinton adm. and nothing happened.

I have great confidence in our military{if freed from political constraints that exsisted under the Clinton administration} can devise a plan to keep Al-Quaeda from having a safe haven in Afghanistan.

Calcountry · 09-12-2009, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

It's a no win situation for us. Brave Americans are fighting a war in which there is no hope of winning. In this type of war there will never be a "winner". All we are doing is providing easy targets for Taliban to kill.

We can't just ignore military history there and say our effort will be different.

We went into Afganistan with 1,300 troops. When the Taliban fell we had 2.500 troops on the ground. We now have 60,000 troops on the ground and the Taliban control 40-70% of the country's territory.

The new commander in Afghanistan says he sees no evidence of a large Al-Quaeda presense in Afghanistan. That is and will always be the only reason for us to be in Afghanistan. The only reason we are there in the first place. The only reason to sacrifice American lives.

I think we should hunt down and kill every single member of Al=Quaeda, no matter where they are hiding.

We shouldn't be sacrificing American lives to nation build in Afghanistan. Yeah, they want to go back to the 12th century but why should we sacrifice American lives to keep that from happening? Not worth it.

But if we leave the Taliban will take over swiftly and then provide a safe -haven for Al-Quaeda? We don't let that happen. We put cruise millsle up their azz. We send out the drones. We use special forces to take them out.

Afghanistan is Obama's war.

Calcountry · 09-12-2009, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D2112

You need foot soldiers on the ground. there are thousands upon thousands of terrorists in the tribal regions of pakistan just waiting for us to leave so they can flock into Afghanistan. drones and cruise missiles wont stop the influx if we leave.

It's time to turn the mountains into glass.

**BigRedChief** · 09-12-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Calcountry

It's time to turn the mountains into glass.

And yet even if we do that, we still don't win. Al-Quaeds are like cockroaches we will have to go in every cave, turn over every rock to kill them.

09-12-2009, 09:50 AM
BigRedChief Brainwashed Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Swims with fishes Casino cash: $2265157	It's time for large # of troops to GTFO of Afghanistan. It's a no win situation for us. Brave Americans are fighting a war in which there is no hope of winning. In this type of war there will never be a "winner". All we are doing is providing easy targets for Taliban to kill. We can't just ignore military history there and say our effort will be different. We went into Afganistan with 1,300 troops. When the Taliban fell we had 2.500 troops on the ground. We now have 60,000 troops on the ground and the Taliban control 40-70% of the country's territory. The new commander in Afghanistan says he sees no evidence of a large Al-Quaeda presense in Afghanistan. That is and will always be the only reason for us to be in Afghanistan. The only reason we are there in the first place. The only reason to sacrifice American lives. I think we should hunt down and kill every single member of Al=Quaeda, no matter where they are hiding. We shouldn't be sacrificing American lives to nation build in Afghanistan. Yeah, they want to go back to the 12th century but why should we sacrifice American lives to keep that from happening? Not worth it. But if we leave the Taliban will take over swiftly and then provide a safe -haven for Al-Quaeda? We don't let that happen. We put cruise millsle up their azz. We send out the drones. We use special forces to take them out. Edited: I'm convinced that this is the right decision for these reasons. We can't nation build in Afghanistan. We shouldn't be using our resources and sacrificing our troops to help them. Thats not why we are there. $300 billion spent so far. 900 brave Americans dead. Entering it's 9th year. Just when will it be enough? The argument that the Taliban and Al-Quaeda will just come back may be true but there are several problems with that. Al-Quaeda can be anywhere in the world. So we keep them out of Afghanistan, they show up in Pakistan, Somalia, where ever. I read there is only 100 Al-Quaeda operatives in Afghanistan. There are probably more than that in the USA. If we keep them out of Afghanistan. they will just go some other place. We need a 21st century approach. We won't be able to defeat Al-Quaeda with conventional weapons and strategy. We can always go back in with surgical strikes to take out prime targets and more large scale attacks to prevent Al-Quaeda from establishing bases again. We can't let 100,000 Americans become easy to reach targets for Al-Quaeda. The government is corrupt beyond repair. For those who want to nation build, how can you with a totally corrupt government that the people don't trust? Nation building won't work no matter how many troops or how much money you throw at the problem with a corrupt government distrusted by the people. Afghanistan has no resources. What exactly are they going to make money at, build their country with? It would be a transfer of wealth from us to them. The population outside of Kabul is run by drug overlords. The majority of the population works in the poppy fields because its the only way they can feed their family. How are we going to change that? Provide jobs for those people to feed their families? A lot of those poppy field profits are going right to the Taliban. Just how are you going to end this cycle without a major infusion of American money. Again, a transfer of wealth. Last edited by BigRedChief; 10-27-2009 at 02:55 PM..
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09-12-2009, 09:54 AM	#2
Griswald I have gas Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $5123	Um, bro. this is exactly what I heard about Iraq 2-3 years ago but the evil Bush administration had success in squashing insurgents in Iraq. are you saying the evil Bush can do something the mighty Obama can not? The defeatist attitude is pathetic..I'm sorry. but I think some of us are forgetting about what took place here 8 years ago.
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09-12-2009, 09:56 AM	#3
Griswald I have gas Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $5123	and cruise missiles were tried during the Mighty Clinton admin..and we all know what kind of a deterrent that was..lol
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