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Old 09-12-2009, 09:50 AM  
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It's time for large # of troops to GTFO of Afghanistan.

It's a no win situation for us. Brave Americans are fighting a war in which there is no hope of winning. In this type of war there will never be a "winner". All we are doing is providing easy targets for Taliban to kill.

We can't just ignore military history there and say our effort will be different.

We went into Afganistan with 1,300 troops. When the Taliban fell we had 2.500 troops on the ground. We now have 60,000 troops on the ground and the Taliban control 40-70% of the country's territory.

The new commander in Afghanistan says he sees no evidence of a large Al-Quaeda presense in Afghanistan. That is and will always be the only reason for us to be in Afghanistan. The only reason we are there in the first place. The only reason to sacrifice American lives.

I think we should hunt down and kill every single member of Al=Quaeda, no matter where they are hiding.

We shouldn't be sacrificing American lives to nation build in Afghanistan. Yeah, they want to go back to the 12th century but why should we sacrifice American lives to keep that from happening? Not worth it.

But if we leave the Taliban will take over swiftly and then provide a safe -haven for Al-Quaeda? We don't let that happen. We put cruise millsle up their azz. We send out the drones. We use special forces to take them out.

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I'm convinced that this is the right decision for these reasons.
  • We can't nation build in Afghanistan. We shouldn't be using our resources and sacrificing our troops to help them. Thats not why we are there. $300 billion spent so far. 900 brave Americans dead. Entering it's 9th year. Just when will it be enough?
  • The argument that the Taliban and Al-Quaeda will just come back may be true but there are several problems with that. Al-Quaeda can be anywhere in the world. So we keep them out of Afghanistan, they show up in Pakistan, Somalia, where ever. I read there is only 100 Al-Quaeda operatives in Afghanistan. There are probably more than that in the USA. If we keep them out of Afghanistan. they will just go some other place. We need a 21st century approach. We won't be able to defeat Al-Quaeda with conventional weapons and strategy. We can always go back in with surgical strikes to take out prime targets and more large scale attacks to prevent Al-Quaeda from establishing bases again. We can't let 100,000 Americans become easy to reach targets for Al-Quaeda.
  • The government is corrupt beyond repair. For those who want to nation build, how can you with a totally corrupt government that the people don't trust? Nation building won't work no matter how many troops or how much money you throw at the problem with a corrupt government distrusted by the people.
  • Afghanistan has no resources. What exactly are they going to make money at, build their country with? It would be a transfer of wealth from us to them.
  • The population outside of Kabul is run by drug overlords. The majority of the population works in the poppy fields because its the only way they can feed their family. How are we going to change that? Provide jobs for those people to feed their families? A lot of those poppy field profits are going right to the Taliban. Just how are you going to end this cycle without a major infusion of American money. Again, a transfer of wealth.

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Old 10-27-2009, 09:47 AM   #106
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So the POTUS was wrong all along and this is not a "War of Necessity"?
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Old 10-27-2009, 11:23 AM   #107
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So the POTUS was wrong all along and this is not a "War of Necessity"?
It was a necessity during the campaign.
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Old 10-27-2009, 11:52 AM   #108
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So the POTUS was wrong all along and this is not a "War of Necessity"?
Originally it was. Because that was where Al-Quaeda was based. They are no longer based in Afghanistan.
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Old 10-27-2009, 11:57 AM   #109
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It's a no win situation for us. Brave Americans are fighting a war in which there is no hope of winning. In this type of war there will never be a "winner". All we are doing is providing easy targets for Taliban to kill.

We can't just ignore military history there and say our effort will be different.

We went into Afganistan with 1,300 troops. When the Taliban fell we had 2.500 troops on the ground. We now have 60,000 troops on the ground and the Taliban control 40-70% of the country's territory.

The new commander in Afghanistan says he sees no evidence of a large Al-Quaeda presense in Afghanistan. That is and will always be the only reason for us to be in Afghanistan. The only reason we are there in the first place. The only reason to sacrifice American lives.

I think we should hunt down and kill every single member of Al=Quaeda, no matter where they are hiding.

We shouldn't be sacrificing American lives to nation build in Afghanistan. Yeah, they want to go back to the 12th century but why should we sacrifice American lives to keep that from happening? Not worth it.

But if we leave the Taliban will take over swiftly and then provide a safe -haven for Al-Quaeda? We don't let that happen. We put cruise millsle up their azz. We send out the drones. We use special forces to take them out.
Your hero has to get the fug over Bush, for the sake of the troops in the field. He is the president, commander in chief. It is high time, that he started taking responsibility for is actions, or lack thereof. Like a big boy. Ooops, he never had a daddy to show him that shit did he? He never had a father to slap that pussy shit out of him, did he?
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Old 10-27-2009, 12:03 PM   #110
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So the POTUS was wrong all along and this is not a "War of Necessity"?
That was a campaign promise.
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Old 10-27-2009, 12:03 PM   #111
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Originally it was. Because that was where Al-Quaeda was based. They are no longer based in Afghanistan.
They moved their bases out of Afghanistan sometime since August 2009?
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Old 10-27-2009, 12:05 PM   #112
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That was a campaign promise.
True, but it happened most recently in August 2009 during the neverending campaign.

The two rules of Obama:
1) None of Obama's campaign promises can be trusted.

2) Obama never stops campaigning.
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Old 10-27-2009, 12:10 PM   #113
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True, but it happened most recently in August 2009 during the neverending campaign.

The two rules of Obama:
1) None of Obama's campaign promises can be trusted.

2) Obama never stops campaigning.
More accurately I think, he is open to revise anything he's ever said at anytime in postscript, and this never constitutes inconsistency.

Changing the meaning of what he said, moving the goalposts... he does it so much that it's almost useless to ever try to go back and show where he's contradicted himself because those statements are all "expired" now.
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Old 10-27-2009, 12:25 PM   #114
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Old 10-27-2009, 12:29 PM   #115
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Originally it was. Because that was where Al-Quaeda was based. They are no longer based in Afghanistan.
I'd like to know who it is killing our sons and brothers then.

I think mlyons was more right than you - and if we are pulling out, I guarantee a cry of this nation will come up.

If the POTUS decides to leave Afghanistan behind, his campaign cry "War of Necessity" will overtake "Read my Lips" as the biggest campaign lie of the last 50 years.
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True, but it happened most recently in August 2009 during the neverending campaign.

The two rules of Obama:
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2) Obama never stops campaigning.
So anything he says today.....?
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Old 10-27-2009, 12:49 PM   #118
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I'd like to know who it is killing our sons and brothers then.
Those dipshits will be killing each other instead of us if we get out of there. That was the point of that officers resigination. We can't win. And we should just GTFO and let them kill theirselfs , instead of us.
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Old 10-27-2009, 12:53 PM   #119
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Those dipshits will be killing each other instead of us if we get out of there. That was the point of that officers resigination. We can't win. And we should just GTFO and let them kill theirselfs , instead of us.
My, the worm turns so very conveniently.
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Old 10-27-2009, 12:57 PM   #120
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Gosh, golly gee....seems to me a whole lot of folks said the same thing about Iraq 2-3 yrs ago.
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