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Old 11-03-2009, 12:39 PM  
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Maybe the Failed Presidency is sinking in

Things never happen in a nice order in politics, especially when the people begin to move away. Weakness is seen just like in the animal world...the herd moves away knowing the weak can be a problem, and the predators stand by ready to make a move. The weak arte left with no support. Its a numbers game. Always has been, always will be. People like a winner and people will not tolerate a loser.

Today may be a day we look back on as the day Obama's Presidency began its freefall.

First, Rasmussen has new polling that show Number of Voters Who Blame Bush For Recession Almost Equal Those Who Blame Obama....That bad bad news considering the investment in time and exposure Obama has made into using Bush as the whipping boy for everything....overplay that hand and its all on Obama...http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...45_blame_obama

Then the NJ, NY, and Va elections...if they all 3 go to the conservative side, that is a huge move away from Obama and his policies and the approaches of Reid and Pelosi. The fire will only become hotter if they choose to ignore the signal and push Cap and Trade and HC through as they seem to plan to. The People will not allow that to go unpunished if they in Washington ignore the lessons of the summer, then ignore the ballot boxes. Bad bad bad strategy and worse tactics for the Obama administration.

The blue dogs have to feel the heat, big time. This is the critical point for Obama. IF he had maintained his popularity, the Blue dogs would feel safe under his wing. BUT if NJ goes to the republican, with Biden and Obama spending all week up there, the Acorn folks working overtime to stuff the ballot boxes...that shows the star power is gone and the Blue dogs have to fend for themselves.

Adding insult to injury, If Elections Were Held Now, 49% Would Not Vote For Obama....http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...held_right_now

This is big time ugly for Obama. Nation numbers reflecting the three staes going to the polls today.....well mmmmm mmmm mmmmm, damn.


Bet there won't be any party in the White House tonight.
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Old 11-03-2009, 01:57 PM   #16
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I think the NY Times article is a more accurate description of what is going on. Disillusionment.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/us...cs/03year.html
So, are they upset with lite? What we really needed was even more extreme, radical, liberalism. You know, the kind that Hillary would have delivered to us?/??? WTF?
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Old 11-03-2009, 01:58 PM   #17
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Everything is cyclical. Hell, my 401 is doing lights out here lately....
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Old 11-03-2009, 01:59 PM   #18
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Man, you guys are going to have a bitter taste in your mouth two years from now when the economy is doing fine and he has health care legislation as an accomplishment to tout, and perhaps ending 1-2 of the wars.

I don't think it's been swell so far, but this is like tossing the Gatorade shower on yourselves with 2 minutes left in the first quarter of a game you are up in by one touchdown.
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Old 11-03-2009, 02:02 PM   #19
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Obama is still at 53% approval rating while not great it is not bad either. Listening to Scott Rasmussen last night on OReilly his opinion is Obama is doing ok and that we are in a different media cycle than we ever have been before. People get their news faster and opinions change faster. It was interesting analysis.

With that being said Fox News has a new poll out and 58% of Americans blame Bush for the economy compared to 18% for Obama so we report you decide.
This is only because the media coverage of Lite is still almost overwhelmingly positive. If the media flips Lite is toast.
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Old 11-03-2009, 02:03 PM   #20
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Old 11-03-2009, 02:07 PM   #21
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This is only because the media coverage of Lite is still almost overwhelmingly positive. If the media flips Lite is toast.
I would call it positive to neutral it has waned from his earlier days considerably except on MSNBC.
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Old 11-03-2009, 02:09 PM   #22
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I would call it positive to neutral it has waned from his earlier days considerably except on MSNBC.
It waned from a cult following and salivating to reporting the news warts and all while still wearing rose colored shades.
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Old 11-03-2009, 02:34 PM   #23
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I suspect all Obama's accomplishments are going to come in a form that only adds fuel to the fire. How bitter will the taste be in your mouth when in one year the Congressional elections turn into a Republican landslide?
I don't know, how did they taste in 96' after the 94 landslide?
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It's going to be a long, bitter additional 7 years for you. Maybe next time you'll be able to find a candidate who can keep it in their pants and not blow the nomination process.
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Old 11-03-2009, 02:56 PM   #25
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It's going to be a long, bitter additional 7 years for you. Maybe next time you'll be able to find a candidate who can keep it in their pants and not blow the nomination process.
I can handle eight miserable years as I just lived through it with Regular. My worry is the COUNTRY will not withstand the next three years very well. I happen to believe that by the year anniversary of his swearing in, the country will be in deep disillusionment with him because of the double digit unemployment and, come March, the second wave of collapse of the real estate market.

I look for major layoffs in retail and service starting in January and March is when the "Making Home Affordable" provisions end thereby causing interest rates to rise quickly unless they are artificially suppressed again.
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Man, you guys are going to have a bitter taste in your mouth two years from now when the economy is doing fine and he has health care legislation as an accomplishment to tout, and perhaps ending 1-2 of the wars.

I don't think it's been swell so far, but this is like tossing the Gatorade shower on yourselves with 2 minutes left in the first quarter of a game you are up in by one touchdown.

Classic.
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I can handle eight miserable years as I just lived through it with Regular. My worry is the COUNTRY will not withstand the next three years very well. I happen to believe that by the year anniversary of his swearing in, the country will be in deep disillusionment with him because of the double digit unemployment and, come March, the second wave of collapse of the real estate market.

I look for major layoffs in retail and service starting in January and March is when the "Making Home Affordable" provisions end thereby causing interest rates to rise quickly unless they are artificially suppressed again.
Yeah, you've believed in doom and gloom since you preached it on the old Star Board, from what i understand. More of the same is not a surprise, nor with your absymal track record of failed predictions, should it hold much water with anyone.
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Yeah, you've believed in doom and gloom since you preached it on the old Star Board, from what i understand. More of the same is not a surprise, nor with your absymal track record of failed predictions, should it hold much water with anyone.
Oh yes, I have such a long list of failed predictions. Starting with the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Back then I was disillusioned with Clinton because of Monica. I never supported Regular and did not support Lite.

So yes, when you see a pattern of disappointing and dishonest leadership you do get disillusioned but only if you are paying attention to the what is being said and done behind the scenes...

people like yourself immersed themselves in Obamania will take longer to get there, if at all.
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