Chiefs Get of Mark Castle's back! - Page 15

**pr_capone** · 11-10-2009, 01:08 AM

First and foremost... I am no Cassel apologist but I am tired of reading posts just bashing Matt left and right.

Here are the numbers. And before I get started... **** all this "garbage time" bullshit. EVERY QB in the league has garbage time stats so let's not get too wrapped up in that. It's not like teams have replaced all their starters with 2nd and 3rd stringers at the end of games on us.

This is a statistical comparison of current QB's 2nd season as full time starters. Cassel, Ryan, & Flacco's stats are projected numbers of 16 games played in a season.

Pay special attention to the TD, INT, and Sack numbers.

Completions
Cassel - 286
Ryan - 312
Flacco - 366
Brady - 373
McNabb - 285
Rivers - 277

Attempts
Cassel - 514
Ryan - 514
Flacco - 564
Brady - 601
McNabb - 493
Rivers - 460

Completion Percentage
Cassel - 55.6
Ryan - 60.9
Flacco - 64.9
Brady - 62.1
McNabb - 57.8
Rivers - 60.2

Yards
Cassel - 2871
Ryan - 3568
Flacco - 4088
Brady - 3764
McNabb - 3233
Rivers - 3152

TDs
Cassel - 23
Ryan - 26
Flacco - 24
Brady - 23
McNabb - 25
Rivers - 21

INTs
Cassel - 11
Ryan - 20
Flacco - 14
Brady - 14
McNabb - 12
Rivers - 15

Sacks
Cassel - 62
Ryan - 24
Flacco - 32
Brady - 31
McNabb - 39
Rivers - 22

What I get out of the stats.

While Cassel could certainly stand to improve his completion percentage and total yardage, he is doing a damn fine job of producing in this ****tarded offense. His completion and total yardage stats have been killed due to the fact that the man has zero time to set up and find an open receiver as shown by the sack numbers. I would love to know the number of times each QB was hurried and forced to run but if the sack numbers are any indication, Cassel would nearly double the amount of any of the QB's listed in this comparison. His mobility has likely saved him from another dozen or so sacks at the halfway mark.

People dog Cassel for being unable to throw the deep ball. Hopefully that argument was squelched a bit after the long pass to Chambers today whom he hit in stride for a TD. It is amazing what a competent QB can do when he has a bit of time and a receiver with reliable hands & a touch of speed.

Lastly, and probably of most importance for a team like the Chiefs who are in transition on both sides of the ball, Cassel takes care of the damn ball while still throwing TD's. Cassel is on pace to throw fewer interceptions than any of the QB's listed in the comparison despite his o-line's inability to keep him on his feet. In fact, he has thrown interceptions in only 2 of his 7 games played so far this season. Oh yeah... and though he has been sacked more than any of the QB's listed he has yet to lose a fumble.

I don't know what more you want from the guy.

It's not his fault 3/5 of his offensive line would not start on ANY other team in the NFL.

Its not his fault that his coach is calling a limp dick game offensively.

Its not his fault that his featured RB averaged a whopping 2.7 yards per carry with 0 TDs prior to his suspension and release.

Its not his fault his receivers can't get open.

Its not his fault he is having to pick himself up off the ground on half the passing plays.

I'm not claiming that this guy will be the next Manning, Brees, or Brady. I'm saying this guy COULD be a solid QB for seasons to come if he only had some protection.

I like to bitch about the team as much as the next feller but let's bitch about the players that deserved to be bitched about.

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Coogs · 11-11-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

You seriously have no idea how bad your football team is. They are like an expansion team. And you expect a qb to single handidly make them, what, 8-8??
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No. But I do expect to see signs of improvement from game to game. 7 games of the same ol' same ol'. At what point can we start to question his abilities? I would say now. Not bashing yet... but most definately question.

Another 3 quarter performance like we have seen these first 7 weeks screams for a QB change in quarter number 4 IMO.

Coogs · 11-11-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

This team has about a billion more problems before QB

Maybe. Jury is still out on that one.

Chiefnj2 · 11-11-2009, 11:10 AM

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...-yard-TD-catch

The last 7 seconds with the goal cam view is the best.

**SAUTO** · 11-11-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...-yard-TD-catch

The last 7 seconds with the goal cam view is the best.

THANK YOU. the only time he stopped was at the line of scrimmage, looks to me like he thought the ball was going elsewhere and slowed up then saw it was out and had to get back on his horse. he was running FULL SPEED when that ball hit his hands

SenselessChiefsFan · 11-11-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Cassel is nothing like Green, Green threw the ball down the field, even when this team was bad he was throwing picks because he was going for big plays.

For the most part Cassel won't even attempt it.

Great point.... other than the completely different offenses.

Cassel is doing what the plays dictate.

When the Chiefs went to the 2 minute offense, and Cassel could call his own plays.... he started throwing downfield.

Haley calls the games much more conservatively than Herm Edwards did.

milkman · 11-11-2009, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

THANK YOU. the only time he stopped was at the line of scrimmage, looks to me like he thought the ball was going elsewhere and slowed up then saw it was out and had to get back on his horse. he was running FULL SPEED when that ball hit his hands

His steps got choppy in order to not outrun that ball.

He had to slow down.

Coogs · 11-11-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

His steps got choppy in order to not outrun that ball.

He had to slow down.

Even with the completion, this is one time in basically 7 games where he has even completed a long ball. High school QB's hit more than that with far less time on the field to develop "timing" than these guys have.

**SAUTO** · 11-11-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

His steps got choppy in order to not outrun that ball.

He had to slow down.

we will have to disagree here.
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**BossChief** · 11-11-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

THANK YOU. the only time he stopped was at the line of scrimmage, looks to me like he thought the ball was going elsewhere and slowed up then saw it was out and had to get back on his horse. he was running FULL SPEED when that ball hit his hands

Looks to me like and out-n-up route, that is why it appears he stops at the beginning of the route. You can see the corner bite on the out because of the tendency of our offense to focus on short passes. Good play call.

He has to adjust to the ball in the air, but doesnt seem to slow down much. People were saying he had to basically stop to catch it, that is just crazy.

**Rausch** · 11-11-2009, 01:06 PM

I wonder how they compare to Trent in his first season.

Micjones · 11-11-2009, 01:08 PM

"Making shit up" is fairly common around these parts though.
Perish the thought that you could give Cassel credit for the hookup with Chambers.

**Rausch** · 11-11-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

"Making shit up" is fairly common around these parts though.
Perish the thought that you could give Cassel credit for the hookup with Chambers.

It doesn't help that we seem to drop about 3 catchable passes or more a game. No one knows how their hands actually work until 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter.

Bowe is starting to remind me of Willie Davis with smaller ears...

Pioli Zombie · 11-11-2009, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

I'm down with going the route of Sanchez/Garcia. I think that would have been a good combination of stop-gap/mentor, and building for the future. I do but I don't understand the concept of throwing these guys out on the field in their rookie years like Detroit and NYJ have done. It wouldn't have killed either of those guys to sit this year, especially Stafford. But what's done is done.
You can't look at what Mark has done and not be impressed. Even with the bumps in the road, the NFL learning-curve, and the lumps he's taken, the kid absolutely refuses to roll over and wilt.
As to the rest of our 09 draft and direction of the team, you should ask Hamas to re-post his board; it'll make you ****ing cringe and bang your head at how awesome and complete it is.

You can't mentor shit. Yeah, I'm sure CP would have embraced Jeff Garcia. I seem to remember at the time nothing but non stop ridicule of Jeff Garcia. And then I'm sure Chiefs fans would have enjoyed after watching Garcia for a year or two having Baby Jesus Sanchez come in and throw his 5 Interceptions and 112 yards. And I'm sure nobody would have been critical because "He's only 22!!!". Chiefs fans are patient like that.
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Pioli Zombie · 11-11-2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

"Making shit up" is fairly common around these parts though.
Perish the thought that you could give Cassel credit for the hookup with Chambers.

No no no nothing positive must ever be said about Cassel because it doesn't go along with the Mecca, OTWP,Milkman,Hamas,Dane NFL executives who speak as one voice for the Kansas City area.
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ChiefsCountry · 11-11-2009, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

It doesn't help that we seem to drop about 3 catchable passes or more a game. No one knows how their hands actually work until 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter.

Bowe is starting to remind me of Willie Davis with smaller ears...

Oh brother, this is getting ****ing old about Bowe. His drops are the norm among #1 WR's. They are about the same as Andre Johnson, who everybody would love to have. Bowe comes up with the play when we need him to, end of story.

11-10-2009, 01:08 AM
pr_capone THREEPEAT!!! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NWMO Casino cash: $9948214	Get of Mark Castle's back! First and foremost... I am no Cassel apologist but I am tired of reading posts just bashing Matt left and right. Here are the numbers. And before I get started... ** all this "garbage time" bullshit. EVERY QB in the league has garbage time stats so let's not get too wrapped up in that. It's not like teams have replaced all their starters with 2nd and 3rd stringers at the end of games on us. This is a statistical comparison of current QB's 2nd season as full time starters. Cassel, Ryan, & Flacco's stats are projected numbers of 16 games played in a season. Pay special attention to the TD, INT, and Sack numbers. Completions Cassel - 286 Ryan - 312 Flacco - 366 Brady - 373 McNabb - 285 Rivers - 277 Attempts Cassel - 514 Ryan - 514 Flacco - 564 Brady - 601 McNabb - 493 Rivers - 460 Completion Percentage Cassel - 55.6 Ryan - 60.9 Flacco - 64.9 Brady - 62.1 McNabb - 57.8 Rivers - 60.2 Yards Cassel - 2871 Ryan - 3568 Flacco - 4088 Brady - 3764 McNabb - 3233 Rivers - 3152 TDs Cassel - 23 Ryan - 26 Flacco - 24 Brady - 23 McNabb - 25 Rivers - 21 INTs Cassel - 11 Ryan - 20 Flacco - 14 Brady - 14 McNabb - 12 Rivers - 15 Sacks Cassel - 62 Ryan - 24 Flacco - 32 Brady - 31 McNabb - 39 Rivers - 22 What I get out of the stats. While Cassel could certainly stand to improve his completion percentage and total yardage, he is doing a damn fine job of producing in this **tarded offense. His completion and total yardage stats have been killed due to the fact that the man has zero time to set up and find an open receiver as shown by the sack numbers. I would love to know the number of times each QB was hurried and forced to run but if the sack numbers are any indication, Cassel would nearly double the amount of any of the QB's listed in this comparison. His mobility has likely saved him from another dozen or so sacks at the halfway mark. People dog Cassel for being unable to throw the deep ball. Hopefully that argument was squelched a bit after the long pass to Chambers today whom he hit in stride for a TD. It is amazing what a competent QB can do when he has a bit of time and a receiver with reliable hands & a touch of speed. Lastly, and probably of most importance for a team like the Chiefs who are in transition on both sides of the ball, Cassel takes care of the damn ball while still throwing TD's. Cassel is on pace to throw fewer interceptions than any of the QB's listed in the comparison despite his o-line's inability to keep him on his feet. In fact, he has thrown interceptions in only 2 of his 7 games played so far this season. Oh yeah... and though he has been sacked more than any of the QB's listed he has yet to lose a fumble. I don't know what more you want from the guy. It's not his fault 3/5 of his offensive line would not start on ANY other team in the NFL. Its not his fault that his coach is calling a limp dick game offensively. Its not his fault that his featured RB averaged a whopping 2.7 yards per carry with 0 TDs prior to his suspension and release. Its not his fault his receivers can't get open. Its not his fault he is having to pick himself up off the ground on half the passing plays. I'm not claiming that this guy will be the next Manning, Brees, or Brady. I'm saying this guy COULD be a solid QB for seasons to come if he only had some protection. I like to bitch about the team as much as the next feller but let's bitch about the players that deserved to be bitched about. [/rant]
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Micjones Whose house? Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $10005180	"Making shit up" is fairly common around these parts though. Perish the thought that you could give Cassel credit for the hookup with Chambers. __________________ It's like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I could been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong.
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