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Old 02-12-2010, 10:14 AM  
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Ron Paul Deceived. BucEyedPea Believed. (The Fabricated Reagan Quote)

I mentioned this in an earlier thread, but I wanted to create a separate thread where BucEyedPea can feel free to admit that Ron Paul was wrong or argue endlessly with me about it if she's still in denial without hijacking another thread.

In July of 2006, Ron Paul got up in front of the House of Representatives to speak in opposition to a resolution condemning Hezbollah's attack against Israel. In his statement, he quoted Ronald Reagan to bolster his case. I should say he "mis-quoted" Reagan though, because as it turns out the quote was FABRICATED.

Since then, BucEyedPea has repeatedly referenced that quote here on the pages of ChiefsPlanet. At last count, I've seen her reference it no less than 16 times. What's with these appeasement conservatives and their need to pretend that Ronald Reagan would have approved of their misguided, neo-isolationist message?

See my next two posts for the details.
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Old 02-12-2010, 02:53 PM   #16
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I've seen a few pics of Ron Paul with Reagan. Ron Paul was one of only a few congressmen to endorse him in the 70's.
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Old 02-12-2010, 03:00 PM   #17
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When will the adversary arrive and start the fireworks?
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Old 02-12-2010, 03:10 PM   #18
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When will the adversary arrive and start the fireworks?
Not until she gets back from the library to check it out herself, I'd wager.
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Old 02-12-2010, 03:10 PM   #19
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When will the adversary arrive and start the fireworks?
BEP isn't known for admitting mistakes, living up to the she talks. I tend to doubt we'll see much from her other than maybe popping in for a snide, "Damn NeoCons! " type comment.
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Old 02-12-2010, 03:14 PM   #20
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Old 02-12-2010, 03:29 PM   #21
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I've got a theory about what happened here, but I want BucEyedPea to admit that the quote is false before I try to bail Ron Paul out a little bit.
Is that last part of the quote that isn't even in the book distinctly what Reagan said or Ron Paul said? To me it might be confused, the way his speech is written, that Lew Rockwell would have assumed Ron Paul was quoting Reagan when in fact, he had ended the quote early and was reflecting on the situation himself?
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Old 02-12-2010, 03:34 PM   #22
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I've seen a few pics of Ron Paul with Reagan. Ron Paul was one of only a few congressmen to endorse him in the 70's.
Yes, Ron Paul was a Reagan supporter before and during the first part of Reagan's Presidency. He became disillusioned at some point and by the time Reagan's second term was over he was no longer on the bandwagon and in 1988 he ran for the Presidency himself as a Libertarian.
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Old 02-12-2010, 03:39 PM   #23
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Yes, Ron Paul was a Reagan supporter before and during the first part of Reagan's Presidency. He became disillusioned at some point and by the time Reagan's second term was over he was no longer on the bandwagon and in 1988 he ran for the Presidency himself as a Libertarian.
Because Reagan changed.
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Not until she gets back from the library to check it out herself, I'd wager.
A week ago she said that she requested Reagan's autobiography from her library but that it would be a few days before they'd be able to get it from another larger library. I have faith that when she sees (or hears) for herself that the passage in question does not appear in the book as claimed that she will admit it.

To be clear here, I don't blame BEP for her reliance on the quote because she's just repeating what Ron Paul "wrote". She probably should have cited the Lew Rockwell article to show where she got it from instead of simply accepting that it came from Reagan's autobiography and citing it as such, but that's a minor complaint, IMO.
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Is that last part of the quote that isn't even in the book distinctly what Reagan said or Ron Paul said? To me it might be confused, the way his speech is written, that Lew Rockwell would have assumed Ron Paul was quoting Reagan when in fact, he had ended the quote early and was reflecting on the situation himself?
That's my theory. But the article on Lew Rockwell carry's Ron Paul's name as the author so even if it's just a matter of someone at the website mistakenly moving some of Paul's commentary inside the quotation marks, it's still a bit of a stain on Paul's reputation in my book. If this were a transcription of an audio speech by someone unrelated to the speaker, it would be a more understandable mistake.

In any event, we still have the issue of sentences from different parts of the book being strung together without any indication that they are distinct statements. And more importantly, if you strip away the last part (that wasn't Reagan) from the quote, it really strips away most of the impact of the quote in terms of how close Reagan's views may or may not have been to the current Ron Paul philosophy.
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Because Reagan changed.
Yeah, whatever. He changed from a speech giver to a person who had to govern without the powers of a dictator.
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Pat, this can't be true. Everything on the Lew Rockwell site has to be 100%, without error, correct! Its gospel, I tell you! Only other information sources can make errors. Drudge, MSNBC, Glenn Beck, and Megan McCain have warped your mind.

The only economists who can make mistakes are the followers of Adam Smith, Karl Marx, John Maynard Keynes, that hack Milton Friedman and, of course, Ben Bernanke. Paragons like Lew Rockwell, Che Guevara-lover Murray Rothbard, and of course Ludwig von Mises, are protected from all error because their ideology makes them incorruptable.

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Pat, this can't be true. Everything on the Lew Rockwell site has to be 100%, without error, correct! Its gospel, I tell you! Only other information sources can make errors. Drudge, MSNBC, Glenn Beck, and Megan McCain have warped your mind.

The only economists who can make mistakes are the followers of Adam Smith, Karl Marx, John Maynard Keynes, that hack Milton Friedman and, of course, Ben Bernanke. Paragons like Lew Rockwell, Che Guervara-lover Murray Rothbard, and of course Ludwig von Mises, are protected from all error because their ideology makes them incorruptable.
BEP doesn't like Adam Smith?
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BEP doesn't like Adam Smith?
It was his error that allowed Marx to make his even bigger error or something like that.
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