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Old 02-12-2010, 10:14 AM  
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Ron Paul Deceived. BucEyedPea Believed. (The Fabricated Reagan Quote)

I mentioned this in an earlier thread, but I wanted to create a separate thread where BucEyedPea can feel free to admit that Ron Paul was wrong or argue endlessly with me about it if she's still in denial without hijacking another thread.

In July of 2006, Ron Paul got up in front of the House of Representatives to speak in opposition to a resolution condemning Hezbollah's attack against Israel. In his statement, he quoted Ronald Reagan to bolster his case. I should say he "mis-quoted" Reagan though, because as it turns out the quote was FABRICATED.

Since then, BucEyedPea has repeatedly referenced that quote here on the pages of ChiefsPlanet. At last count, I've seen her reference it no less than 16 times. What's with these appeasement conservatives and their need to pretend that Ronald Reagan would have approved of their misguided, neo-isolationist message?

See my next two posts for the details.
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Old 02-14-2010, 10:57 PM   #76
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I wonder if you're one of those guys who looks back fondly on "Clinton's economy."

I'd argue (correctly) that Pres. Reagan contributed more to the collapse of the Soviet Union than Clinton contributed to the booming economic circumstances that coincided with his administration.

Sometimes praise can be heaped on a bit thick by either side for its own heroes.
No, I'm not. The economy was better but as I have repeatedly said Presidents for the most part have very little effect on the economy.
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Old 02-14-2010, 10:57 PM   #77
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I wonder if you're one of those guys who looks back fondly on "Clinton's economy."

I'd argue (correctly) that Pres. Reagan contributed more to the collapse of the Soviet Union than Clinton contributed to the booming economic circumstances that coincided with his administration.

Sometimes praise can be heaped on a bit thick by either side for its own heroes.
Presidents usually have less influence on events -- both economic and world wide, than they are given blame or credit for.

Like Reagan with the USSR, Clinton's economic success is a combination of a little dose of good policy and a large dose of luck.
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Old 02-14-2010, 10:58 PM   #78
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What makes you think that he would have seen the collapse of the Soviet Union as being a worthwhile goal?
What makes you think that he wouldn't have?
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Old 02-14-2010, 11:00 PM   #79
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Like Reagan with the USSR, Clinton's economic success is a combination of a little dose of good policy and a large dose of luck.
And a Republican Congress that actually gave something of a damn about its agenda.
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Old 02-14-2010, 11:01 PM   #80
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KC Native did. He attributed the Soviet collapse entirely to Soviet policies. That's clearly not true. Your more balanced assessment is far less objectionable, although you short-change Reagan and his contemporaries IMO. The Soviets' collapse in 1989 was not inevitable. Eight years of Reagan-led Western policies were the proximate cause.
No, that's you putting what you want into what I said. I simply said that their collapse was inevitable due to their own economic structure and policies. You assumed that I believe that our actions had no effect on them which is incorrect. The USSR was going to fail regardless of our actions. The US helped speed the process along however giving credit to Raygun for bringing down the USSR is nonsense.
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Old 02-15-2010, 07:41 AM   #81
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I realize that you liberals, with your soft and ineffective Carters, your disgraceful and deceitful Clintons, and your unprepared and weak Obamas have a hard time accepting that the high point in recent presidential memory was a Republican, but it's sad that you have to go to such lengths to try to minimize the credit you give him for policies that put an end to our country's biggest and longest lasting rival.
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Old 02-15-2010, 07:42 AM   #82
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No, that's you putting what you want into what I said.
Hey BucEyedPea, when you get a chance let me know what you've discovered in Reagan's autobiography.
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Old 02-15-2010, 10:49 AM   #83
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I realize that you liberals, with your soft and ineffective Carters, your disgraceful and deceitful Clintons, and your unprepared and weak Obamas have a hard time accepting that the high point in recent presidential memory was a Republican, but it's sad that you have to go to such lengths to try to minimize the credit you give him for policies that put an end to our country's biggest and longest lasting rival.
I wonder what the world would be like today if Carter had won another term.
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Old 02-15-2010, 11:07 AM   #84
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I realize that you liberals, with your soft and ineffective Carters, your disgraceful and deceitful Clintons, and your unprepared and weak Obamas have a hard time accepting that the high point in recent presidential memory was a Republican, but it's sad that you have to go to such lengths to try to minimize the credit you give him for policies that put an end to our country's biggest and longest lasting rival.
It's not even an argument. It's a dodge. And one easily turned on its head:

Hell, if you can't hero worship Reagan, you're more or less stuck going all the way back to Ike, so I can see why you need to pimp him endlessly.
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Hey BucEyedPea, when you get a chance let me know what you've discovered in Reagan's autobiography.

Don't hold your breath...


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I wonder what the world would be like today if Carter had won another term.
Eh. Wasn't going to happen. Carter wasn't the absolute fiasco he's been painted as, but he was certainly a thoroughly mediocre President.
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It's not even an argument. It's a dodge. And one easily turned on its head:

Hell, if you can't hero worship Reagan, you're more or less stuck going all the way back to Ike, so I can see why you need to pimp him endlessly.
I'd take George W. Bush over any recent democrat. In the long run, GWB could even turn out to have a longer lasting positive impact on the US than Reagan (although it's tough to beat the slaying of a superpower), but that remains to be seen.
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Don't hold your breath...
LOL at the picture. That was really more of a jab at KC Native for the style of his post than a real appeal to BucEyedPea. I figure I'll give her another week or so to verify my accusation and make a statement on her own before I do something like hound her to make an appearance.
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I'd take George W. Bush over any recent democrat. In the long run, GWB could even turn out to have a longer lasting positive impact on the US than Reagan (although it's tough to beat the slaying of a superpower), but that remains to be seen.
Well, GWB was left to slay the monster of Afghanistan that Reagan helped create in his administration, he just decided to neglect that matter for Iraq.

Now addressing the more illuminating declaration within that statement, would you honestly place GWB over Slick Willy?

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Who will appear in this thread first to defend/apologize for the misquote, BucEyedPea or Ron Paul?
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