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Old 02-12-2010, 09:14 AM  
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Ron Paul Deceived. BucEyedPea Believed. (The Fabricated Reagan Quote)

I mentioned this in an earlier thread, but I wanted to create a separate thread where BucEyedPea can feel free to admit that Ron Paul was wrong or argue endlessly with me about it if she's still in denial without hijacking another thread.

In July of 2006, Ron Paul got up in front of the House of Representatives to speak in opposition to a resolution condemning Hezbollah's attack against Israel. In his statement, he quoted Ronald Reagan to bolster his case. I should say he "mis-quoted" Reagan though, because as it turns out the quote was FABRICATED.

Since then, BucEyedPea has repeatedly referenced that quote here on the pages of ChiefsPlanet. At last count, I've seen her reference it no less than 16 times. What's with these appeasement conservatives and their need to pretend that Ronald Reagan would have approved of their misguided, neo-isolationist message?

See my next two posts for the details.
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Old 02-15-2010, 02:46 PM   #91
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Well, GWB was left to slay the monster of Afghanistan that Reagan helped create in his administration, he just decided to neglect that matter for Iraq.
Reagan created the monster in Afghanistan (if it can even be called that) in the same way that Lincoln created the lynchings of the early 20th century deep south, which is to say not at all.

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Now addressing the more illuminating declaration within that statement, would you honestly place GWB over Slick Willy?
Duh, of course.
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Old 02-15-2010, 02:50 PM   #92
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I can only assume that Chiefspants will blame Roosevelt and Truman for this legacy of theirs:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100213/...rmany_neonazis
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Old 02-15-2010, 02:54 PM   #93
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I can only assume that Chiefspants will blame Roosevelt and Truman for this legacy of theirs:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100213/...rmany_neonazis
Yes, and also the dominance of Japanese car companies over domestic concerns. Damnit Harry!
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Old 02-15-2010, 03:55 PM   #94
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Reagan created the monster in Afghanistan (if it can even be called that) in the same way that Lincoln created the lynchings of the early 20th century deep south, which is to say not at all.



Duh, of course.

That's a rather weak analogy, lynchings were inevitably going to occur from the hands of the ignorant bigot. However, if Reagan would not have left Afghanistan in shambles after the war perhaps we would be living in a different world today. Arming the mujahideen in the soviet-afghan war may have been short-sided, Perhaps not so much because we aided the "freedom fighters", but because we left Afghanistan in utter ruin after the soviet withdrawal. Reagan's failure to present any form of a plan for Afghanistan may have planted the roots of the conflict we are mired in today.
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At least we can agree that Afghanistan was the land of milk and honey before Reagan. I'll cede that point.
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Old 02-15-2010, 04:46 PM   #96
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At least we can agree that Afghanistan was the land of milk and honey before Reagan. I'll cede that point.
Lol, it sure was! Seeing as Alexander the Great, Napoleon, Great Britain, and The Soviet Union all failed to take control of Afghanistan.


I am jovial that the United States has plunged into that abyss, any estimations on when we're going to get out of there?
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Old 02-15-2010, 04:59 PM   #97
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Lol, it sure was! Seeing as Alexander the Great, Napoleon, Great Britain, and The Soviet Union all failed to take control of Afghanistan.


I am jovial that the United States has plunged into that abyss, any estimations on when we're going to get out of there?
That depends. Do you want us to kick the shit out of them and leave like Reagan did, or do you want us to nation build like you criticized Reagan for not doing?
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Old 02-15-2010, 05:25 PM   #98
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Still trying to peddle this nonsense? The soviets were doomed by their own policies and Reagan was just fortunate enough to be there when they finally collapsed under their own weight.
And this was due to he and his wife constantly planning their lives and National matters by referring to astrology and other occult ideals. I guess he should literally thank the stars for his timing.

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That depends. Do you want us to kick the shit out of them and leave like Reagan did, or do you want us to nation build like you criticized Reagan for not doing?

I would argue that the situations differ considerably, This time around we did not weaponize radical militants and flee the situation expecting harmony because our rival was upon the edge of destruction. This blatant lack of foresight is one of the reasons we are caught in our current quagmire. Furthermore, at that time we had just aided Afghanistan in their plight against the Soviet Union, If there were a time to aid Afghanistan, it would have been on the heels of their victory.

And so, shifting the focus to our current situation, it appears that while we were caught up in Iraq, our original enemy has spread throughout the middle east. So where do we go now? Do we continue to teeter on the border of Pakistan while moving our hand into Yemen?

There is going to be no easy way out of our present crisis.

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Old 02-15-2010, 05:35 PM   #100
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I would argue that the situations differ considerably, This time around we did not weaponize radical militants and flee the situation expecting harmony because our rival was upon the edge of destruction. This blatant lack of foresight is one of the reasons we are caught in our current quagmire. Furthermore, at that time we had just aided Afghanistan in their plight against the Soviet Union, If there were a time to aid Afghanistan, it would have been on the heels of their victory.

And so, shifting the focus to our current situation, it appears that while we were caught up in Iraq, our original enemy has spread throughout the middle east. So where do we go now? Do we continue to teeter on the border of Pakistan while moving our hand into Yemen?

There is going to be no easy way out of our present crisis.
When did Reagan weaponize them with US airliners?
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When did Reagan weaponize them with US airliners?
I believe we gave the mujahideen a bit more than "US Airliners," Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe we aided the "freedom fighters" with anti aircraft weapons, stinger missiles, and armed assault weapons.

It's a wonder that such assistance helped blossom the Taliban in that region.
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I believe we gave the mujahideen a bit more than "US Airliners," Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe we aided the "freedom fighters" with anti aircraft weapons, stinger missiles, and armed assault weapons.

It's a wonder that such assistance helped blossom the Taliban in that region.
Did they attack the US with anti-aircraft weapons, stinger missiles, and armed assault weapons? If the 9/11 attacks never happened, we wouldn't be there. Even so, are any of those even a major factor in the conflict over there? They are attacking us with mortars car bombs, and IEDs.
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Did they attack the US with anti-aircraft weapons, stinger missiles, and armed assault weapons? If the 9/11 attacks never happened, we wouldn't be there. Even so, are any of those even a major factor in the conflict over there? They are attacking us with mortars car bombs, and IEDs.
Oh, sorry, I had misunderstood you, I thought you implied that we had given them our airlines...my apologies, it has been a long day.

Anyways, while we obviously did not give them US Airliners, our abandonment of Afghanistan allowed the newly weaponized taliban to take control, we essentially built the foundation of their domination in the region.

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Oh, sorry, I had misunderstood you, I thought you implied that we had given them our airlines...my apologies, it has been a long day.

Anyways, while we obviously did not give them US Airliners, our abandonment of Afghanistan allowed the newly weaponized taliban to take control of Afghanistan. We essentially built the foundation of their domination in the region.
Would we be at war if the 9/11 attacks never happened?

If yes, why? If no, how can you pin this on Reagan?
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And, by the way, how was it our abandonment that caused this? I thought it was our occupation.
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