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Old 08-21-2010, 07:57 PM  
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1st half conniption fit....I mean commentary

Oh noes....we are tied 10-10....

Oh noes....our pre-season playcalling is for shit....

Oh noes....Charles didn't get enough carries.....

Oh noes...our front 7 sucks......



I thought we looked pretty good. Better than we did last week. Front 7 played good, we got burned on a missed tackle by a DB.....that isn't the front 7's fault
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Old 08-21-2010, 10:47 PM   #61
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I don't think he understands there's a difference in throwing a short pass because it's open and then taking your deep shot when it's there opposed to throwing short passes because it's all you can do.
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Old 08-21-2010, 10:48 PM   #62
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It's true the other night vs ATL Brady was dinking and dunking it to Welker all game and missed Randy Moss down field who had the secondary beat. Welker has been one of the league leader in catches the last few years how many of those do you want to be were thrown from less than 5 yards?
Has Brady established the fact that he can throw a good deep ball consistently? Do defenses have to respect the team's ability to stretch the field?
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Old 08-21-2010, 10:48 PM   #63
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You're comparing a guy that has won 3 Super Bowl rings, and had a better completion percentage from 11-20 yards last year than Cassel did overall - to a preseason performance against one of the worst defenses in the league - and only scoring 10 points to boot?

You might want to look in the mirror if you're looking for flawed logic.

Tom Brady has no problem throwing the ball downfield.
Classic OTW changing the goal post.


Listen,

You said Cassel was less than average tonight because he barley threw passes for more than 10 yards. How many throws from Brady to Welker or Faulk are for more than 5 yards?
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Old 08-21-2010, 10:48 PM   #64
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How many times was Mike Williams open and how many times did the ball go there? It was a consistent theme of the first half.

And his point is valid, you take a defense and tell them they only have to defend a 10 yard box and watch what happens...not to mention the Chiefs defense is not going to consistently get stops..

How's this story end?
Charles tore it up against Atlanta. Charles tore it up tonight for the limited time he has been in both games. You guys are all shitting your pants over games that are called so differently from the regular season.

So to answer your question, you know what you get when a defense does that like that did to us last year? JC going for over 1,000 yards in about 1/2 a season.

Really, some of you guys are just funny as hell with this stuff. I am not saying we are SB bound bound but come on. It is pre-season and we are still a developing team.

I saw people bitching about Tyson Jackson on a play where he didn't fall for the bootleg and ran the QB out of bounds. The QB gained a few yards but how many lineman are going to run down a mobile QB from behind? Yet people still found room to bitch about the play.
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Old 08-21-2010, 10:48 PM   #65
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You actually just made a great for argument. Chambers/Bowe sure aren't Randy Moss.
Matt Cassel couldn't even consistently throw it down the field when he had Moss the best deep ball receiver to ever play the game...this issue is his.
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Old 08-21-2010, 10:49 PM   #66
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Against the youngest team in the league? A team that scored just as many points?

What should Cassel's line have been? He threw one ball away on a busted play, and he spiked the ball once to stop the clock. Other than that, he had 3 incompletions in the half. What should his numbers have been?
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Old 08-21-2010, 10:49 PM   #67
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Has Brady established the fact that he can throw a good deep ball consistently? Do defenses have to respect the team's ability to stretch the field?
I would say he didn't establish his deep threat until Moss got there.
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Old 08-21-2010, 10:49 PM   #68
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Classic OTW changing the goal post.


Listen,

You said Cassel was less than average tonight because he barley threw passes for more than 10 yards. How many throws from Brady to Welker or Faulk are for more than 5 yards?
Where did I say that Cassel was "less than average?"

I'll wait.
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Has Brady established the fact that he can throw a good deep ball consistently? Do defenses have to respect the team's ability to stretch the field?
He won 3 rings before he ever threw the ball downfield. He hasn't won anything since.
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Old 08-21-2010, 10:50 PM   #70
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Charles tore it up against Atlanta. Charles tore it up tonight for the limited time he has been in both games. You guys are all shitting your pants over games that are called so differently from the regular season.

So to answer your question, you know what you get when a defense does that like that did to us last year? JC going for over 1,000 yards in about 1/2 a season.

Really, some of you guys are just funny as hell with this stuff. I am not saying we are SB bound bound but come on. It is pre-season and we are still a developing team.

I saw people bitching about Tyson Jackson on a play where he didn't fall for the bootleg and ran the QB out of bounds. The QB gained a few yards but how many lineman are going to run down a mobile QB from behind? Yet people still found room to bitch about the play.
Charles tore shit up for half of last year, it didn't make Matt Cassel improve, is this hard to understand?
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Old 08-21-2010, 10:51 PM   #71
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Has Brady established the fact that he can throw a good deep ball consistently? Do defenses have to respect the team's ability to stretch the field?
I'd like to see Brady's stats throwing downfield his first few years. I don't recall him being great at it.
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He won 3 rings before he ever threw the ball downfield. He hasn't won anything since.
I said the same thing during the game thread.


Does anyone have a well thought-out, non-offensive explanation for this?
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Old 08-21-2010, 10:52 PM   #73
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What should Cassel's line have been? He threw one ball away on a busted play, and he spiked the ball once to stop the clock. Other than that, he had 3 incompletions in the half. What should his numbers have been?
He had a very solid stat line. This isn't arguable, IMO.

But let me give you a microcosm for why I think he's yet another worthless sack of shit in a long line of worthless sacks of shit that we've had at the QB position:

3rd and about 7. Time in the pocket. No heavy pressure. Cassel shits himself and literally runs into a sack instead of staying strong in the pocket.

This is the anti Trent Green. That sumbitch was impervious to danger in the pocket. Not surprisingly, who lit up Cassel for his stupidity?

All of this goes back to my claim that Cassel possesses modest talent (at best) and extremely limited football instincts. And you're not going to teach or develop the latter at the professional level.
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I said the same thing during the game thread.


Does anyone have a well thought-out, non-offensive explanation for this?
That has more to do with the decline of their defense, but even when he wasn't throwing bombs, he still threw it more vertically than Cassel does.

I'm not asking Cassel to drop in 50 yarders on a dime, I'm asking him to be a solid intermediate passer that moves the sticks, Brady was that.
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You guys have to remember that Tom Brady had a great deep ball receiver back in 01-04. Remember all those deep balls he comple.......oh wait.
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