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Old 01-27-2010, 11:12 AM  
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Android is only outpacing because the iPhone is only on AT&T. Once that exclusivity goes away, it won't be outpacing it any longer.

And I don't know what you mean about stagnating. There are more and more HTML5 sites every day. It's only getting more abundant.

And Flash still blows ass, even on Android phones. It's not like you can even watch Hulu on it... you have to buy an App, even on Android.
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:32 AM   #842
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Old 09-10-2010, 10:05 AM   #843
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Android is only outpacing because the iPhone is only on AT&T. Once that exclusivity goes away, it won't be outpacing it any longer.

And I don't know what you mean about stagnating. There are more and more HTML5 sites every day. It's only getting more abundant.

And Flash still blows ass, even on Android phones. It's not like you can even watch Hulu on it... you have to buy an App, even on Android.
Exclusivity certainly is part of it... but it isn't all of it.

Yes there are more and more html5 sites daily... but not at the pace that you and others were predicting... not even close. Not even close.

Flash works just fine on the EVO... not sure on other phones... have YOU actually tried it out? I imagine it will work even better on the Android tablets... but that is conjecture, so I'll wait and see...

And good job quoting 3 websites that obviously were looking for FLASH to fail... Do you want me to post articles from 30 reviews that rave about how well FLASH works? Once YOU try it... with a CURRENT phone (something out in the last 3 months).. then we can talk.
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Old 09-10-2010, 10:11 AM   #844
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Flash is yesterdays news. It will die out as newer and better technologies takeover. I know three people that are friends that have taken flash off their sites in the last month. It's not a torrent (pun intended) of sites but Flash is a declining technology.
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Old 09-10-2010, 10:18 AM   #845
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Flash is yesterdays news. It will die out as newer and better technologies takeover. I know three people that are friends that have taken flash off their sites in the last month. It's not a torrent (pun intended) of sites but Flash is a declining technology.
No one disagrees... but to deny that the majority of sites out there still use Flash and that not having the ability to play it isn't at least somewhat limiting.. is unrealistic at best.. a flat out LIE at worst.

Flash is dying... but it's dying a long slow protracted death. I made this argument SIX months ago and very little has changed... yes slightly more sites are off Flash video and on html5 (some WebM, some h.264) but overall the changes are so small as to be imperceptible.

Flash WILL die eventually... anyone want to make bets on when? I'll take the over on 12 months if anyone want to bet me?

In the meantime, who wants to own a device that isn't nearly useful enough (for me at least) until that day arrives? I am willing to wait for better devices that actually fit the market instead of a device that tries (unsuccessfully) to change the market.
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Old 09-10-2010, 11:13 AM   #846
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Meanwhile, only 5% of users can access Flash sites.

http://developer.android.com/resourc...-versions.html
How many 2.2 phones are there right now? I'm not sure that means much.

This entire argument sucks anyway. It's not about Flash vs. HTML5, it's about Apple being cockbags and refusing to even allow development of it because they don't like it.
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Old 09-10-2010, 02:21 PM   #847
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Exclusivity certainly is part of it... but it isn't all of it.

Yes there are more and more html5 sites daily... but not at the pace that you and others were predicting... not even close. Not even close.

Flash works just fine on the EVO... not sure on other phones... have YOU actually tried it out? I imagine it will work even better on the Android tablets... but that is conjecture, so I'll wait and see...

And good job quoting 3 websites that obviously were looking for FLASH to fail... Do you want me to post articles from 30 reviews that rave about how well FLASH works? Once YOU try it... with a CURRENT phone (something out in the last 3 months).. then we can talk.
Yes. Post 30 reviews "raving" about flash.

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Old 09-10-2010, 02:23 PM   #848
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How many 2.2 phones are there right now? I'm not sure that means much.

This entire argument sucks anyway. It's not about Flash vs. HTML5, it's about Apple being cockbags and refusing to even allow development of it because they don't like it.
You might have an argument with Apple controlling their products however...

1) Flash sucks (mobile or not)
2) Android has a major splintering problem.
3) Related to two, carriers are slow to allow (and sometimes don't) their users handsets to upgrade to a newer version.
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Old 09-10-2010, 02:42 PM   #849
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You might have an argument with Apple controlling their products however...

1) Flash sucks (mobile or not)
2) Android has a major splintering problem.
3) Related to two, carriers are slow to allow (and sometimes don't) their users handsets to upgrade to a newer version.

1) Whatever, I don't care. I'm not a developer, I'm a user. Porn sites suck too, but that doesn't mean I'm going to go out and buy the DVD instead.

2) Agreed. Apparently they're going to try to address that with 3.0 so upgrades can come more from google than individual manufactures.

My friend loaned me a Samsung Vibrant, as I'm in the market for a new phone and wanted to play around with an Android. By all accounts, it's easily upgradable to Froyo, but still not shit out yet. Not even a GPS fix for the phone yet. That's frustrating.

3) Do you mean hardware or software? Either way, yeah... That's the price we pay for a contract world.
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Old 09-10-2010, 04:30 PM   #850
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Yes. Post 30 reviews "raving" about flash.

If I gave enough of a "care" about your opinion I could and I would... but don't be an idiot and not realize there are a ton of "positive" reviews about 2.2 and Flash.. everyone has an agenda...

Have you tried 2.2 and Flash.. I have, works fine so far for me.

Try talking about it when you have actually tried it.
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Exclusivity certainly is part of it... but it isn't all of it.

Yes there are more and more html5 sites daily... but not at the pace that you and others were predicting... not even close. Not even close.

Flash works just fine on the EVO... not sure on other phones... have YOU actually tried it out? I imagine it will work even better on the Android tablets... but that is conjecture, so I'll wait and see...

And good job quoting 3 websites that obviously were looking for FLASH to fail... Do you want me to post articles from 30 reviews that rave about how well FLASH works? Once YOU try it... with a CURRENT phone (something out in the last 3 months).. then we can talk.
Exclusivity is most of it. Safari mobile is the third most popular browser in the world right now.

What pace? Do you have statistics?

Yeah, I have. Tried it. Less than impressed.

Yes, please post 30 unbiased reviews. Not sure how laptopmag was looking for flash to fail, though.
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Old 09-10-2010, 05:22 PM   #852
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Exclusivity is most of it. Safari mobile is the third most popular browser in the world right now.

What pace? Do you have statistics?

Yeah, I have. Tried it. Less than impressed.

Yes, please post 30 unbiased reviews. Not sure how laptopmag was looking for flash to fail, though.
that's the point... most reviews ARE biased and looking for a given result.
You know as well as I do I can find 30 reviews.. I doubt I could find ONE unbiased one for either side.

I have an EVO and Flash works perfectly for me so far (only had it a few days) If Flash starts to go buggy or piss me off, I may change my tune... but so far so good.

And you are sorely mistaken if you think exclusivity is most of it.. unless you count HARDWARE exclusivity and not just the ATT factor. If so, I could see your point...


All of this is silly since Android 2.2 is every bit as good as iOS and Android 3.0 will bury it.

As for the pace... actually, the burden of proof is on you.. since the original posit SIX MONTHS ago was how quickly html5 would make Flash obsolete... I have yet to see it. Have you? With the emergence of WebM .. (also a VERY slow process) ... HTML5 alone won't save Apple... they'll need to actually adopt a truly open standard for once... (instead of claiming to be open and then hijacking a product .. i.e. webkit)
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You know as well as I do I can find 30 reviews.. I doubt I could find ONE unbiased one for either side.
So, with that being said, there have to be both advantages and disadvantages, yes?

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It's one phone on one carrier as opposed to many phones on all the carriers. Why wouldn't it be outpacing?

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All of this is silly since Android 2.2 is every bit as good as iOS and Android 3.0 will bury it.
Says you.

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As for the pace... actually, the burden of proof is on you.. since the original posit SIX MONTHS ago was how quickly html5 would make Flash obsolete... I have yet to see it. Have you? With the emergence of WebM .. (also a VERY slow process) ... HTML5 alone won't save Apple... they'll need to actually adopt a truly open standard for once... (instead of claiming to be open and then hijacking a product .. i.e. webkit)
I didn't say HTML5 would make Flash obsolete. What I *said* was that by Q2 next year, 90% of the top 100 sites would have an alternative to Flash, whether it was an app or providing an HTML5 alternative (or switching completely).
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I didn't say HTML5 would make Flash obsolete. What I *said* was that by Q2 next year, 90% of the top 100 sites would have an alternative to Flash, whether it was an app or providing an HTML5 alternative (or switching completely).
I don't seem to remember it being as far out as Q2 of next year... but I am too lazy to look it up so I'll take your word on that... and as you know I don't consider having dozens or in your scenario(worst case).. 90 apps ... as a viable alternative...

I will stand by my earlier statements, which so far have been pretty spot on... but we'll have to see once Gingerbread comes out. If it has the functionality in its UI that WebOS (palm pre) had.. it will be a clearcut winner... but that is speculation that we'll have to wait a few more months on.

As for Flash on Android.. the only disadvantage I have seen is that legacy apps weren't BUILT for mobile and therefore can have clunky interfaces.. otherwise I have yet to have a performance issue... of course I am using the latest hardware over a 4G or wifi connection... I won't vouch for trying to shove Flash on older/slower hardware.
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