The Browns: Trap Game

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life

Nah. The Chiefs will win this one against the Browns.

But I fully expect them to be 2-2 after that.

If any game is a trap game. It's the San Fran game. They looked horrible last week against the Seahawks of all teams. They just aren't that bad, and we all know it.

Why do "we all know it"? I'm really not sold on SF like many have been. I think they are a middle of the pack kinda team. I think being back at Arrowhead the fans will be back in crazy mode especially if we win in Cleveland. I think it's a push game.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Why do "we all know it"? I'm really not sold on SF like many have been. I think they are a middle of the pack kinda team. I think being back at Arrowhead the fans will be back in crazy mode especially if we win in Cleveland. I think it's a push game.

I agree.

But with that said, this is a tough Chiefs team to gauge at this point. We know for certain that the Special Teams will be among the highest ranked units in the league, as will the running game.

But the question marks (and they are big questions, one game into the season) are the Defense and the Passing Game.

The defense looked unlike any other Chiefs defense this past decade and looked closer to an early to mid-90's Chiefs team. The intensity and ferocity was amazing to watch. Sure, there were a few mistakes made by Berry but that's to be expected in his first NFL game. The others, specifically DJ, Belcher, Dorsey, Smith and even Jackson, succeeded in playing as a focused, intense unit for the first time EVER. IF this trend continues, the Chiefs will be in every game this year and the defense will again put the offense in winning situations.

The bigger question is the passing game. We all saw how Cassel and the Chiefs struggled last year and in pre-season. They certainly struggled Monday night and I think everyone is aware that the Chiefs won't win many games with less than 75 yards passing.

I'd lean towards a Chiefs victory on Sunday against Cleveland but I think it'll take around eight games to answer these questions. And IF the Chiefs continue to play consistently on defense and the passing game continues to struggle, how long with Haley stick with Cassel?

[Chief3188]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I agree.

But with that said, this is a tough Chiefs team to gauge at this point. We know for certain that the Special Teams will be among the highest ranked units in the league, as will the running game.

But the question marks (and they are big questions, one game into the season) are the Defense and the Passing Game.

The defense looked unlike any other Chiefs defense this past decade and looked closer to an early to mid-90's Chiefs team. The intensity and ferocity was amazing to watch. Sure, there were a few mistakes made by Berry but that's to be expected in his first NFL game. The others, specifically DJ, Belcher, Dorsey, Smith and even Jackson, succeeded in playing as a focused, intense unit for the first time EVER. IF this trend continues, the Chiefs will be in every game this year and the defense will again put the offense in winning situations.

The bigger question is the passing game. We all saw how Cassel and the Chiefs struggled last year and in pre-season. They certainly struggled Monday night and I think everyone is aware that the Chiefs won't win many games with less than 75 yards passing.

I'd lean towards a Chiefs victory on Sunday against Cleveland but I think it'll take around eight games to answer these questions. And IF the Chiefs continue to play consistently on defense and the passing game continues to struggle, how long with Haley stick with Cassel?

I disagree about question marks in the passing game. I don't think there is any question that Haley, Pioli, Weis and even Clark know that they can't trust Cassel anymore. They gave him a shot and it was worth a 2nd round pick for him and Vrabel to try and find that guy but it just didn't work out. I believe they will limit him to being a game manager by mid-season as they confirm what they already know and then make a move next year whether in the draft, trade or FA to lead this team.

I think the question really lies with our WR's and TE's. Can these guys catch well enough to maybe hide some of Cassel's inefficiencies.

[Bane]

Originally Posted by Chief3188

I disagree about question marks in the passing game. I don't think there is any question that Haley, Pioli, Weis and even Clark know that they can't trust Cassel anymore. They gave him a shot and it was worth a 2nd round pick for him and Vrabel to try and find that guy but it just didn't work out. I believe they will limit him to being a game manager by mid-season as they confirm what they already know and then make a move next year whether in the draft, trade or FA to lead this team.

I think the question really lies with our WR's and TE's. Can these guys catch well enough to maybe hide some of Cassel's inefficiencies.

Absolutely impossible in todays pass happy NFL.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Chief3188

I disagree about question marks in the passing game. I don't think there is any question that Haley, Pioli, Weis and even Clark know that they can't trust Cassel anymore. They gave him a shot and it was worth a 2nd round pick for him and Vrabel to try and find that guy but it just didn't work out. I believe they will limit him to being a game manager by mid-season as they confirm what they already know and then make a move next year whether in the draft, trade or FA to lead this team.

I think the question really lies with our WR's and TE's. Can these guys catch well enough to maybe hide some of Cassel's inefficiencies.

I think he is already a game manager. I would guess the only time they are going to ask Cassel to try and win a game is a game where we have to have a TD with not much time on the clock. I will be stuned if they allow Cassel to throw the ball all over the yard in an attempt to win from the opening coin toss. Even against Manning in 3 or 4 weeks.

[Fritz88]

I am not worry about Berry. I'll tell you that.
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[KCrockaholic]

Originally Posted by Fritz88

I am not worry about Berry. I'll tell you that.
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Who is worried about Berry? As a rook going up against Gates, I didn't expect him to have a great game. This week on the other hand. I think he shines!

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life

Who is worried about Berry? As a rook going up against Gates, I didn't expect him to have a great game. This week on the other hand. I think he shines!

I chalk it up to over-excitement. I think he was fired-up to the point that his emotion was getting the better of that super football brain he has. When he learns to play his game as the house is on fire, he'll be fine.

[Bane]

Originally Posted by ROR

I chalk it up to over-excitement. I think he was fired-up to the point that his emotion was getting the better of that super football brain he has. When he learns to play his game as the house is on fire, he'll be fine.

Hmmmmm.Pro bowl tandem QB/TE vs rookie S.... Nah it didn't bother me a bit.Rookies get schooled this way everyday,and the good ones learn from it.

[Farzin]

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life

Who is worried about Berry? As a rook going up against Gates, I didn't expect him to have a great game. This week on the other hand. I think he shines!

I thought overall, he played exceptionally well. Covered Gates well when they out double coverage on him.

[bowener]

I expect Romeo to have his D wanting blood. If they come out flat I will be disappointed in Romeo.

[RealSNR]

Every game is a trap game. Every game there exists the possibility for unfocused, undisciplined play by any player on any team.

What's the difference between some of the 2009 Chiefs blowout losses and this upcoming game? Why is this one a trap game? Because the Browns suck? That shouldn't have anything to do with it. We played like shit against the Broncos in game 1 and in both Charger games. I'll bet you the Browns could have beaten us in both of those games last year. Because our team had no concentration and played like shit.

If we lose to the Browns this week, I refuse to say, "Uhp! Trap game!" Trap games don't exist. Or rather, they do exist... they ARE sports.

Or something like that

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by SNR

Every game is a trap game. Every game there exists the possibility for unfocused, undisciplined play by any player on any team.

What's the difference between some of the 2009 Chiefs blowout losses and this upcoming game? Why is this one a trap game? Because the Browns suck? That shouldn't have anything to do with it. We played like shit against the Broncos in game 1 and in both Charger games. I'll bet you the Browns could have beaten us in both of those games last year. Because our team had no concentration and played like shit.

If we lose to the Browns this week, I refuse to say, "Uhp! Trap game!" Trap games don't exist. Or rather, they do exist... they ARE sports.

Or something like that

Trap games are much more likely to happen (a.) after short weeks, and (b.) after fiery, emotional games. The Chiefs cannot maintain that energy for 16 weeks.

[Bane]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Trap games are much more likely to happen (a.) after short weeks, and (b.) after fiery, emotional games. The Chiefs cannot maintain that energy for 16 weeks.

Fuggn closet Donkfan!

[FAX]

I'm not sure you could call it a "trap" game. I thought that was a term used to describe games where the favored team comes in overconfident or something. I don't know what the line is ... or will be ... but we might not even be favored to win outright. It is, after all, a road game and the Chiefs (of late) haven't exactly been dominating on the road.

FAX