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Old 12-20-2010, 09:40 AM  
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Did you over-react to the work of Casshole?

Against Seattle and Arizona?

From reading this board it sounds like Cassell just won the MVP trophy, but when I look at his stats for the last 2 football games this is what I find:

Denver: 17-31 196 1-0
St Louis: 15-29 184 1-1

That's barely 50% completion percentage against 2 shitty football teams WITH an outstanding running game behind him.

When I look at his record I don't think he's won a football game when he didn't get at least 140 rushing yards to support him.

The fact is Seattle and Arizona can make anybody look good. Hell, Alex Smith went for ~300 yds and 3 TDs last week vs Seattle.

At some point Casshole's gonna have to prove he can win a football game by himself without much of a running game against a good defense playing coverage. Opposing teams routinely sell out on the run when they face us. When you're only completing ~50% of your passes vs the kind of coverage he's been getting I think there are legitimate questions whether he's capable of doing that.

"But casshole is so tough and he's become a leader blah blah blah". ****ing trent dilfer was tough and a leader too. Doesn't make him a good QB. Hell, Tim Tebow's tough and a leader. Doesn't make him an NFL player.

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Old 12-20-2010, 11:19 AM   #61
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So now you guys are trying to compare the Casshole to Joe Montana??

Hahahahah

I really have seen it all.

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100% spot on.

B_Ambuehl and GoChiefs are the 2 biggest "look at me, look at me" morons to grace the planet. The most important thing to them? Being able to bump threads to say "see, I called it".

B_Ambuehl also was on the "Will Svitek is the best huge thing for the Chiefs" kick so take everything he says with a titanic size grain of salt.
Dude I've been here over 5 years and have a little over 1500 posts. Some of you ****ers post more in a day than I have in my career. If I was after popularity I certainly wouldn't be so anonymous. As for the Svitek thing, it was a tongue in cheek thing, which I said from day 1. People loved Rich Scanlon too, but nobody thought he was realistically a probowler. I liked Svitek because he was a big foreign goofball looking mother****er that loved to fight.
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Old 12-20-2010, 11:19 AM   #62
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What's your list look like?

My point was that approximately half the NFL has franchise QBs or guys with the tools to develop into them.
So Cassel does not have the tools to be a franchise QB? I guess you haven't seen much of his play through this season.
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Old 12-20-2010, 11:21 AM   #63
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Still waiting on that link, unless you want to concede you just made it up.
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Old 12-20-2010, 11:22 AM   #64
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Still waiting on that link, unless you want to concede you just made it up.
Don't hold your breath, it's probably not forthcoming.

He probably got that link stuck in his zipper.
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Old 12-20-2010, 11:23 AM   #65
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If you really want a true measure of how good a player is just ask people that have to compete against him.

Do you think coaches, players, (and even fans) in our division fear Matt Cassell??

I've heard Norv talk about Cassell and this offense and there was no question he hopes KC keeps Cassell as long as possible.
Norv Turner? Norv "f'ng" Turner? And not even a direct quote? That's the best you got?
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Old 12-20-2010, 11:25 AM   #66
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Montana didn't always put out spectacular stats for us either.

Look, point is, how does the guy PLAY?

**** numbers and rating, is he on target and making plays?

This week, damned straight. And he got cut on less than 2 weeks ago.

He's a gamer. He might not be Payed-a-ton or Brett Favor-me but he's got us winning.
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Old 12-20-2010, 11:28 AM   #67
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Dude if you can't see the improvement in Cassel from the beginning of this year till now, you seriously need to stop watching football. He may improve more he may become Tom Brady lite, he might totally flame out, but give the guy props he's making huge strides.
Well, it's too bad some people refuse to see both sides of the argument. It seems like with some of the Cassel homers, you either have to believe Cassel has, without a doubt, proven he's the QB this franchise can count on in the long run, or you're just a hater... even though there are some legit reasons to not completely buy in, like wanting to see if he can win in the playoffs.

OTOH, it does seem like some of the haters refuse to give any credit, which is ridiculous, too... he's obviously making progress. And with some concerns, like accuracy, does it really matter who he's playing against? He couldn't hit the ocean from the beach last year, had as many INTs as TDs, and at one point was getting sacked five times per game. Yeah, becoming competent doesn't mean he can win playoff games, but at least credit the progress and see there's more hope for the future than there was at this point last season.

(ftr, I did have serious doubts last season because of fundamental problems that didn't seem to go away even when he had decent protection and open receivers.... and while he's come a long way, I'm still going to wait and see what he can do in the next couple of games and if they make it to the playoffs (and even though this place will implode, one good or bad game in the playoffs doesn't mean much in the big picture... consistency is the key to everything he does (and the team, coaches, etc.)))
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Old 12-20-2010, 11:29 AM   #68
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I'd add Romo and Vick and take out Schaub, but that would still put Cassel at 11.
As I said, some of these are even iffy, I haven't watched a lot of Schuab but he seems to generally have decent stats. Vick is going to have to prove it for more than a year. Romo, the playoff choke master, yeah, noooo thanks.
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Old 12-20-2010, 11:37 AM   #69
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Well, it's too bad some people refuse to see both sides of the argument. It seems like with some of the Cassel homers, you either have to believe Cassel has, without a doubt, proven he's the QB this franchise can count on in the long run, or you're just a hater... even though there are some legit reasons to not completely buy in, like wanting to see if he can win in the playoffs.

OTOH, it does seem like some of the haters refuse to give any credit, which is ridiculous, too... he's obviously making progress. And with some concerns, like accuracy, does it really matter who he's playing against? He couldn't hit the ocean from the beach last year, had as many INTs as TDs, and at one point was getting sacked five times per game. Yeah, becoming competent doesn't mean he can win playoff games, but at least credit the progress and see there's more hope for the future than there was at this point last season.

(ftr, I did have serious doubts last season because of fundamental problems that didn't seem to go away even when he had decent protection and open receivers.... and while he's come a long way, I'm still going to wait and see what he can do in the next couple of games and if they make it to the playoffs (and even though this place will implode, one good or bad game in the playoffs doesn't mean much in the big picture... consistency is the key to everything he does (and the team, coaches, etc.)))
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Old 12-20-2010, 11:38 AM   #70
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Old 12-20-2010, 11:39 AM   #71
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I've heard Norv talk about Cassell and this offense and there was no question he hopes KC keeps Cassell as long as possible.
Not to pile on, but I'd really like to see it for myself where Turner said he hopes KC keeps Cassel...so link it up and please do so quickly, if you don't mind.
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Old 12-20-2010, 11:42 AM   #72
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I've heard Norv talk about Cassell and this offense and there was no question he hopes KC keeps Cassell as long as possible.
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Old 12-20-2010, 11:44 AM   #73
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Cassel is:

#5 in the NFL in QB rating
#7 in TD passes
#3 in TD%
#2 in fewest INTs
#2 in INT%
#9 in Sack%
#7 in fewest sacks (players ahead of him include Romo and Kerry Collins, who've played fewer games)

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...10/leaders.htm

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...D&d-447263-n=1


That's a top 10 QB performance in 2010. All the bitching in the world isn't going to change that.
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Old 12-20-2010, 11:47 AM   #74
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The bar continually gets moved, and people want to throw around the franchise label for QBs like they grow on trees.
And it should.

Only for reasons of comparison (we have the old NE coaches and GM.)
The first WHOLE year Brady started they ran first and played good defense.

They won ugly games.

They DID NOT put up any significant rushing or passing stats.

They WON A SUPER BOWL.

As each year went by they seemed to move the slider more from defense to offense and kept changing their game.

SHOCKER!

Managed to keep winning jewelry.

My point would be that the first 1/4 year and then whole season Brady was completely leashed. They ran the ball and completely depended on the defense.

Only later did Brady become Brady (when he had that confidence that he KNEW HE didn't have to make it happen.)

Years later he learned he COULD make it happen.

Smart coaching.

They let him figure that out in time, all on his own...
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Old 12-20-2010, 11:47 AM   #75
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The link is somewhere on the Chargers site amongst thousands of others. I'm not gonna go digging for it. He didn't say directly that Cassell sux he was asked about Cassel and was PC about it but it was obvious he didn't fear him at all, as he shouldn't given Casshole's prior performances against the Chargers:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...1&postcount=36

Don't believe me go post a poll on any chargers forum and ask if people fear Cassel. Ask Buck what he thinks.
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