Did you over-react to the work of Casshole?

[B_Ambuehl]

Against Seattle and Arizona?

From reading this board it sounds like Cassell just won the MVP trophy, but when I look at his stats for the last 2 football games this is what I find:

Denver: 17-31 196 1-0
St Louis: 15-29 184 1-1

That's barely 50% completion percentage against 2 shitty football teams WITH an outstanding running game behind him.

When I look at his record I don't think he's won a football game when he didn't get at least 140 rushing yards to support him.

The fact is Seattle and Arizona can make anybody look good. Hell, Alex Smith went for ~300 yds and 3 TDs last week vs Seattle.

At some point Casshole's gonna have to prove he can win a football game by himself without much of a running game against a good defense playing coverage. Opposing teams routinely sell out on the run when they face us. When you're only completing ~50% of your passes vs the kind of coverage he's been getting I think there are legitimate questions whether he's capable of doing that.

"But casshole is so tough and he's become a leader blah blah blah". ****ing trent dilfer was tough and a leader too. Doesn't make him a good QB. Hell, Tim Tebow's tough and a leader. Doesn't make him an NFL player.

Flame away.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

The link is somewhere on the Chargers site amongst thousands of others. I'm not gonna go digging for it. He didn't say directly that Cassell sux he was asked about Cassel and was PC about it but it was obvious he didn't fear him at all, as he shouldn't given Casshole's prior performances against the Chargers:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...1&postcount=36

Don't believe me go post a poll on any chargers forum and ask if people fear Cassel. Ask Buck what he thinks.

So, basically, you were just making shit up.

[JASONSAUTO]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Cassel is:

#5 in the NFL in QB rating
#7 in TD passes
#3 in TD%
#2 in fewest INTs
#2 in INT%
#9 in Sack%
#7 in fewest sacks (players ahead of him include Romo and Kerry Collins, who've played fewer games)

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...10/leaders.htm

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...D&d-447263-n=1


That's a top 10 QB performance in 2010. All the bitching in the world isn't going to change that.

doesnt matter they will find reasons why he's not a top ten QB. **** stats as long as they dont help the haters. except milkman. hes the only guy who actually doesnt use stats.

same thing as when he was with the pats and was rated top ten.

[morphius]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Well, it's too bad some people refuse to see both sides of the argument. It seems like with some of the Cassel homers, you either have to believe Cassel has, without a doubt, proven he's the QB this franchise can count on in the long run, or you're just a hater... even though there are some legit reasons to not completely buy in, like wanting to see if he can win in the playoffs.

OTOH, it does seem like some of the haters refuse to give any credit, which is ridiculous, too... he's obviously making progress. And with some concerns, like accuracy, does it really matter who he's playing against? He couldn't hit the ocean from the beach last year, had as many INTs as TDs, and at one point was getting sacked five times per game. Yeah, becoming competent doesn't mean he can win playoff games, but at least credit the progress and see there's more hope for the future than there was at this point last season.

(ftr, I did have serious doubts last season because of fundamental problems that didn't seem to go away even when he had decent protection and open receivers.... and while he's come a long way, I'm still going to wait and see what he can do in the next couple of games and if they make it to the playoffs (and even though this place will implode, one good or bad game in the playoffs doesn't mean much in the big picture... consistency is the key to everything he does (and the team, coaches, etc.)))

I'd say for the record, I didn't like the trade for him, but I was also willing to give him a chance. I think he has moved his way up to the upper part of the tier 2 QB's. I'm impressed what the coaches have done to help him improve.

[Simply Red]

I was really happy with Charles play, too. However, he ain't no Woodhead.

[Short Leash Hootie]

oh so Buck and Norv Turner are the same person?

[Slainte]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

So, basically, you were just making shit up.

Not "basically".

In TOTALITY.

He totally made shit up.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

LEAVE MO' KESSEL ALONE!!!11111

[Los Pollos Hermanos]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

Don't believe me go post a poll on any chargers forum and ask if people fear Cassel. Ask Buck what he thinks.

Ask Buck what?

Originally Posted by Buck

How is Cassel not considered a Franchise player?

[Short Leash Hootie]

no he saw Norv at Best Buy and that's where he got the quote...so a link isn't available

[Short Leash Hootie]

oh yeah well I heard Tom Cable say Cassel is the best QB he's seen this year so yeah

[Short Leash Hootie]

if you don't believe me it's all over the Raiders forum just ask Ugly Duck

[morphius]

Originally Posted by Rausch

And it should.

Only for reasons of comparison (we have the old NE coaches and GM.)
The first WHOLE year Brady started they ran first and played good defense.

They won ugly games.

They DID NOT put up any significant rushing or passing stats.

They WON A SUPER BOWL.

As each year went by they seemed to move the slider more from defense to offense and kept changing their game.

SHOCKER!

Managed to keep winning jewelry.

My point would be that the first 1/4 year and then whole season Brady was completely leashed. They ran the ball and completely depended on the defense.

Only later did Brady become Brady (when he had that confidence that he KNEW HE didn't have to make it happen.)

Years later he learned he COULD make it happen.

Smart coaching.

They let him figure that out in time, all on his own...

I think it is more of the people who say that they won't be happy until the QB does X, and then ignore the fact that they did what they wanted and start bitching about the QB failing to do Y...

[Brock]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

The link is somewhere on the Chargers site amongst thousands of others. I'm not gonna go digging for it. He didn't say directly that Cassell sux he was asked about Cassel and was PC about it but it was obvious he didn't fear him at all, as he shouldn't given Casshole's prior performances against the Chargers:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...1&postcount=36

Don't believe me go post a poll on any chargers forum and ask if people fear Cassel. Ask Buck what he thinks.

So....you got nothing.

[Norman Einstein]

Originally Posted by Brock

So....you got nothing.

He got nothing, never had nothing never will have nothing.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

doesnt matter they will find reasons why he's not a top ten QB. **** stats as long as they dont help the haters. except milkman. hes the only guy who actually doesnt use stats.

same thing as when he was with the pats and was rated top ten.

The shame of it is that a lot of the problem with the honest skeptics is that they don't look at all quarterbacks equally. You see that with the "X good games" arguments and the like. Peyton Manning, for example, has played 4 games with a QB rating below 70 this year (Cassel has 3), and has his team with a worse record than the Chiefs. Shockingly (), you're not seeing the haters saying anything like "Well, Cassel's been better than Manning this year, BUT..". Instead, it's somehow about Cassel not proving himself against teams he hasn't played.*


* Note: I'm not saying Cassel is as good as Manning. I'm noting performance this season, and the disparate ways these things are viewed.