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Old 12-20-2010, 10:40 AM  
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Did you over-react to the work of Casshole?

Against Seattle and Arizona?

From reading this board it sounds like Cassell just won the MVP trophy, but when I look at his stats for the last 2 football games this is what I find:

Denver: 17-31 196 1-0
St Louis: 15-29 184 1-1

That's barely 50% completion percentage against 2 shitty football teams WITH an outstanding running game behind him.

When I look at his record I don't think he's won a football game when he didn't get at least 140 rushing yards to support him.

The fact is Seattle and Arizona can make anybody look good. Hell, Alex Smith went for ~300 yds and 3 TDs last week vs Seattle.

At some point Casshole's gonna have to prove he can win a football game by himself without much of a running game against a good defense playing coverage. Opposing teams routinely sell out on the run when they face us. When you're only completing ~50% of your passes vs the kind of coverage he's been getting I think there are legitimate questions whether he's capable of doing that.

"But casshole is so tough and he's become a leader blah blah blah". ****ing trent dilfer was tough and a leader too. Doesn't make him a good QB. Hell, Tim Tebow's tough and a leader. Doesn't make him an NFL player.

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Old 12-21-2010, 03:39 PM   #181
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Have the specific posters you quoted changed their stance since Cassel reached all their checkmarks?


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I didn't say those were direct quotes. I noted that threads have gone that way and created an example. However, if you can't figure out some of the people I'm referring to, I don't know what to tell you.

It's not as if they're all in hiding. There's supposedly only one of those.
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Old 12-21-2010, 03:41 PM   #182
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Cassel won 11 games in NE.... that completely misses the point of the argument. I'm no basher, but the argument is they want Cassel to put a game on his shoulders. Quickly looking at his time in NE, I'd say you could make the argument that he did so 2-3 times, with a supporting cast that helped Brady to a ~120 QB rating the previous year.




Bledsoe? Are you ****ing kidding me? "That team" has nothing to do with Drew Bledsoe... what the hell?




Yeah, the Chiefs have 9 wins, but that's completely missing the point. Seeing "it" over the course of the season means consistency out of Cassel. Have we seen that all season? No. (I don't think this was an expectation coming into a season, it's simply saying "before I crown his ass, I'd like to see him play at a high level on a consistent basis").





The Rams?





Again, missing the point... it's not "but, he hasn't won in the playoffs," it's "before I crown his ass, let's see him win meaningful games," and what better game than a playoff game?
The one missing the point is you. I noted that threads have gone like that. They have.

"If you think the threads haven't gone in a that sort of vein, you haven't been around here much.". I didn't make claims of that being verbatim. Quite the opposite, noting the "same vein".

As an aside, though, every single attempted rebuttal you made here is idiotic. It's as if you're trying to be a fool.
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Old 12-21-2010, 03:46 PM   #183
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I didn't say those were direct quotes. I noted that threads have gone that way and created an example. However, if you can't figure out some of the people I'm referring to, I don't know what to tell you.

It's not as if they're all in hiding. There's supposedly only one of those.
So, if I understand corretly (and please correct me if I don't), every basher (even though each has his own set of "goalposts" for Cassel) has moved the goalposts.
However, you don't know which ones said what, and aren't sure where their goalposts began, or have moved to.

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Old 12-21-2010, 03:46 PM   #184
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I am pleased with Cassel's improvement thus far. I am also anxious to see what improvements Pioli makes in the offseason to make this team a true contender. The deficiencies on this team are staggering and there is no way Cassel or the team in general performs as well next year, as is, against a much tougher schedule. But, the foundation is there. Imagine this team with a legit right tackle, a wide receiver that will push Bowe for the #1 spot on this team, a true nose tackle, and a starting linebacker not named Vrabel. It's nice to be able to make that list and not have to include quarterback.
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Old 12-21-2010, 03:50 PM   #185
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Love him all ya want, I just say he sucks less...I don't dog him anymore cause it's pointless. He will be our QB for at least the next few years..
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Old 12-21-2010, 03:55 PM   #186
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The one missing the point is you. I noted that threads have gone like that. They have.

"If you think the threads haven't gone in a that sort of vein, you haven't been around here much.". I didn't make claims of that being verbatim. Quite the opposite, noting the "same vein".

As an aside, though, every single attempted rebuttal you made here is idiotic. It's as if you're trying to be a fool.
Uh-huh... I'll be sure to bring up the 2000 Patriots in future Cassel debates, as well as the critical Rams game and the other times he's taken the reigns and led them to victory, like against the Chargers and Browns.
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Old 12-21-2010, 03:58 PM   #187
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I didnt want the trade in the first place. Felt sorry for him last year. (Well not really, not with the kind of money he is making). Then was pretty pissed at the beginning of the year..

But quickly realized that Haley and Weis has a plan and they are sticking with it. They have worked wonders with Cassel... Guess that is why they are in the NFL and we are just message board fans...

They know exactly what they are doing... We just speculate our opinions as fact around here...
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Old 12-21-2010, 04:11 PM   #188
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So, if I understand corretly (and please correct me if I don't), every basher (even though each has his own set of "goalposts" for Cassel) has moved the goalposts.
However, you don't know which ones said what, and aren't sure where their goalposts began, or have moved to.

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You're not bothering to actually read what I've written, given that I've clearly differentiated types of Cassel bashers, and specifically noted that I was NOT putting Milkman in with those moving the goalposts.

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....I believe that the majority of the posters that I believe that TRR is referring to will come around when Cassel meets the requirements I'm talking about.
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....I agree with this. Unfortunately, that handful made the board almost unbearable for much of last year, and the beginning of this season. The good news is that their voices are a lot less influential now.
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And therein lies the escape clause. Mind you, I'm not calling you out as one who's specifically moved the posts. I'm just noting the way the goalposts get moved.
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...17#post7279517

Also, I'm not quoting those people specifically, partly because I didn't want them coming in and pissing on the conversation, and partly because I've put some of the biggest offenders on ignore. The quotes are around. Anyone who's paid attention knows that.
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Old 12-21-2010, 04:13 PM   #189
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Uh-huh... I'll be sure to bring up the 2000 Patriots in future Cassel debates, as well as the critical Rams game and the other times he's taken the reigns and led them to victory, like against the Chargers and Browns.
Get back to me when you can understand the flow of a post. Until then, you're just a waste of time.
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Old 12-21-2010, 04:16 PM   #190
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Love him all ya want, I just say he sucks less...I don't dog him anymore cause it's pointless. He will be our QB for at least the next few years..
Given that you were the one talking about how you'd suck your own cock if Cassel got the team to 8 wins, and you're now so gracious as to go with "he sucks less", thanks for demonstrating part of what I'm talking about with Sully. It's not fully on point regarding the moving goalposts, but it's close and I didn't have to go quote mining.
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Old 12-21-2010, 04:45 PM   #191
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Given that you were the one talking about how you'd suck your own cock if Cassel got the team to 8 wins, and you're now so gracious as to go with "he sucks less", thanks for demonstrating part of what I'm talking about with Sully. It's not fully on point regarding the moving goalposts, but it's close and I didn't have to go quote mining.
That's exactly my point.
You're claiming one thing (moving goalposts), and showing evidence for another (being wrong in an evaluation).
This quote isn't even "close" to moving the goalposts, since you haven't shown what his goalposts actually are.
You can argue that his goalposts are silly or unrealistic, but until you show that he's gone back on his original goals for a QB, then you lose the "moving" argument.
And while it may seem an insignificant argument, IMO, it's the difference between calling someone a poor evaluator of talent, and calling them a liar.


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Old 12-21-2010, 04:52 PM   #192
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Given that you were the one talking about how you'd suck your own cock if Cassel got the team to 8 wins, and you're now so gracious as to go with "he sucks less", thanks for demonstrating part of what I'm talking about with Sully. It's not fully on point regarding the moving goalposts, but it's close and I didn't have to go quote mining.



Get over your self son, I say stupid shit too.You are getting all worked up over nothing. Go suck Cassels cock if ya want it means shit to me.
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Old 12-21-2010, 04:55 PM   #193
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If the Chiefs lose one more and miss the playoffs this year (hoping like hell that does not happen) I can honestly say I am still thrilled with Cassel's performance this year. I know not everyone shares my optimism for this team with Cassel at the helm but to each their own. I will say its nice to come on and read the threads and not think I made a mistake and went to the Mange instead Chiefs Planet, as happened a couple of times earlier in the year when its seemed like mostly negative things were being bantered about.
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That's exactly my point.
You're claiming one thing (moving goalposts), and showing evidence for another (being wrong in an evaluation).
This quote isn't even "close" to moving the goalposts, since you haven't shown what his goalposts actually are.
You can argue that his goalposts are silly or unrealistic, but until you show that he's gone back on his original goals for a QB, then you lose the "moving" argument.
And while it may seem an insignificant argument, IMO, it's the difference between calling someone a poor evaluator of talent, and calling them a liar.


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His "goalpost" was 8-8. Are you seeing him say he was wrong about Cassel beyond "sucks less"? As I noted "It's not fully on point regarding the moving goalposts, but it's close". "Sucks less" is not the same as "sucks just as much", but it's clearly not much of a concession. That's where "close" came into play.

However, my 5:11 pm post dealt directly with what you claim to be your point.
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Old 12-21-2010, 05:00 PM   #195
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Get over your self son, I say stupid shit too.You are getting all worked up over nothing. Go suck Cassels cock if ya want it means shit to me.
I'm not worked up at all, and I meant it when I said "thanks" to you, because your grudging and meager concession of "sucks less" fit fairly well with what I was posting about. Your post wasn't exactly what Sully was asking for, but it was close, so I didn't feel the need to look further.
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