Chiefs Cassel did, does, and will always suck - Page 33

Thig Lyfe · 01-09-2011, 01:42 PM

I had backed off on my Cassel hate in the second half of the season because he actually started to play with a modicum of competence. But I never stopped being wary of him, because he was playing well against shitty, shitty ****ing teams.

But today is proof positive that Cassel is NOT the answer. He will NOT be a franchise quarterback. He simply doesn't have the ability or the intelligence that is required. He never really progressed this season; he just managed to not shit himself against the NFC West.

Can we all just agree that he's not the answer? Please?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-09-2011, 10:38 PM

Only Brady and Roethlisberger are worthy of aspiration.

It's not like Rivers, Rodgers, Ryan, Manning, or Brees are out there.

You could very possibly add Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman, and Bradford to that list shortly.

That's 7 definites and four other QBs that either have tremendous potential or potential and have won multiple times in the playoffs already.

11/32

Hell, Cutler, Vick, and Flacco are probably worthy of that discussion as well, and Eli Manning has run a two minute drive to win a SB against one of the greatest teams of all time.

This is nowhere near as difficult as you claim it is.

**Tribal Warfare** · 01-09-2011, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious

Obviously.

I am not a Runner-Up type of guy. I witnessed what 4 SB losses did to my brother (Bills fan). I would rather not make it at all then go through that .

Well, the point I was making that most QBs that have made the SB are HOFers or franchise QBs in their own right. A team must have a great triggerman to get to where you can win it on the average.

notorious · 01-09-2011, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Well, the point was making that most QBs that have made the SB are HOFers or franchise QBs in their own right. To get their you must have a great triggerman to get to where you can win it.

I got you, I thought you were just breaking my balls.

Just Passin' By · 01-09-2011, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

I care to wager that most QBs that made the SB by in large are in the HOF, or waiting for their bust. Like Marino, Tarkenton, Kelly ect....

Super Bowl QBs starting in 2000*:

Eli Manning
Trent Dilfer
Brad Johnson
Rex Grossman
Jake Delhomme
Matt Hasselbeck
Gannon
Kerry Collins
McNabb
Brady
Peyton Manning
Roethlisberger
Warner
Brees

You think more than half of that list will be going to the HOF?

Tossing in 1990-1999:

McNair
Chandler
Favre
Aikman
O'Donnell
Elway
Kelly
Rypien
Humphries
Hostetler (Was the QB in the playoffs, taking over for Simms)
Reich (was QB in the playoffs, taking over for Kelly in 3 games out of 4)

It'll be less than half from that time, too.

*Any QBs missed are unintentional omissions.

ChiefsCountry · 01-09-2011, 10:47 PM

Who gives a **** if they start in a Super Bowl. Winning the damn thing is only thing that matters.

the Talking Can · 01-09-2011, 10:48 PM

i am so looking forward to another year of pats fans obsessed with making us like a 'passable to mediocre' QB who's upside after 3 years as a starter, and at 29 years of age, is...wait for it....Rex Grossman....

just pat us on the head some more and tell us how we should be satisfied with 20 more years of pointless mediocrity at the most important position on the field...

really.....more posts please about we can't expect anything more from our QB and we should just not worry our pretty heads about it...

and then please ****ing kill yourselves, and tape it, and mail it to us so we can have grandllama stream it......

notorious · 01-09-2011, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Who gives a **** if they start in a Super Bowl. Winning the damn thing is only thing that matters.

But you have to get there first.

Right Tribal?

**Tribal Warfare** · 01-09-2011, 10:49 PM

Super Bowl QBs starting in 2000*:

Eli Manning
Trent Dilfer
Brad Johnson
Rex Grossman
Jake Delhomme
Matt Hasselbeck
Gannon
Kerry Collins
McNabb
Brady
Peyton Manning
Roethlisberger
Warner
Brees

You think more than half of that list will be going to the HOF?

Tossing in 1990-1999:

McNair
Chandler
Favre
Aikman
O'Donnell
Elway
Kelly
Rypien
Humphries
Hostetler (Was the QB in the playoffs, taking over for Simms)

these are the ones that are or I consider franchise QBs. It's funny that you are trying to support mediocrity in th QB position

SNR · 01-09-2011, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

i am so looking forward to another year of pats fans obsessed with making us like a 'passable to mediocre' QB who's upside after 3 years as a starter, and at 29 years of age, is...wait for it....Rex Grossman....

just pat us on the head some more and tell us how we should be satisfied with 20 more years of pointless mediocrity at the most important position on the field...

really.....more posts please about we can't expect anything more from our QB and we should just not worry our pretty heads about it...

and then please ****ing kill yourselves, and tape it, and mail it to us so we can have grandllama stream it......

Mutha****in rep

Just Passin' By · 01-09-2011, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

these are the ones that are or I consider franchise QBs. It's funny that you are trying to support mediocrity in th QB position

I'm doing no such thing. I'm just being realistic. Far too many of you seem to think that Elite QBs are available every year, in every round.

SNR · 01-09-2011, 10:53 PM

If I could use two words to describe Matt Cassel, I would choose these:

Small. Time.

He's a small time QB. Looks great against the NFC West. Can put up a few good plays against stunning defenses like the Texans, Jaguars, and 49ers.

The playoffs are not small time. The playoffs are big time. The Super Bowl is biggest time.

Small time cannot be equated to biggest time. At all.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-09-2011, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Super Bowl QBs starting in 2000*:

Eli Manning
Trent Dilfer
Brad Johnson
Rex Grossman
Jake Delhomme
Matt Hasselbeck
Gannon
Kerry Collins
McNabb
Brady
Peyton Manning
Roethlisberger
Warner
Brees

You think more than half of that list will be going to the HOF?

Tossing in 1990-1999:

McNair
Chandler
Favre
Aikman
O'Donnell
Elway
Kelly
Rypien
Humphries
Hostetler (Was the QB in the playoffs, taking over for Simms)

It'll be less than half from that time, too.

*Any QBs missed are unintentional omissions.

Warner, Montana, and Young all go in the 90s.

That makes 7 HOF QBs. McNair was another borderline HOF who won an MVP. Bledsoe was a multiple PBer before he lost his fastball in 1998.

So, of that period, just going back to the 90s you have:

Elway: 3 SB appearances
Favre: 2 SB appearances
Kelly: 4 SB appearances
Aikman: 3 SB appearances
Montana: 1 SB appearance
Young: 1 SB appearance
Warner: 1 SB appearance

15 SB appearances in that decade by QBs who are going into the HOF, or who are already there.

In the 2000s:

Warner: 2 appearances
Brees: 1 appearance
Brady: 4 appearances
Manning: 2 appearances
Roethlisberger: 2 appearances

11 appearances by QBs who will go into the HOF

Add in appearances by McNabb and Hasselbeck, who were multiple PBers

Thig Lyfe · 01-09-2011, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

I'm doing no such thing. I'm just being realistic. Far too many of you seem to think that Elite QBs are available every year, in every round.

We should call you Dorothy because you sure love straw men.

johnny961 · 01-10-2011, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX

I thought that's what you were saying.

The problem as I see it is that ... THAT'S HIS FRIGGIN' JOB!!!!

He's a dude who gets paid an enormous pile of dough to throw the freaking football to other dudes. If it's true that he really started wetting himself because they called too many passing plays, that's pretty sad and heartbreaking and Haley needs to break a violin over his dick. And a couple of cellos, too.

FAX

I wonder how many fans would donate their musical instruments to this cause right about now??

**keg in kc** · 01-10-2011, 12:30 AM

This fits right in with the old saw that QBs get too much of the blame and too little of the praise. It was a team loss. Sure Cassel threw his picks. Know what else happened? Charles fumbled. McCluster fumbled. The defense wasn't even a speed bump. I mean, seriously, nearly 150 yards rushing allowed and a 115 rating for Flacco? Pathetic.

The Chiefs weren't/aren't ready for prime time. We all knew that. We got exactly what we should've expected: a young rebuilding team with no big game experience gave it away to a veteran playoff team. They don't have the talent to compete at that level yet, and they don't have the seasoning to compete at that level yet. Maybe they will in 2011, after the infusion of a little bit more talent on both sides of the ball.

As for Cassel, still not a fan. Didn't want the guy, don't want the guy, but he's who we've got, and we'd better hope he's more like the good 2010 Cassel going forward, and less like the bad 2009/2010 Cassel. I'm not trying to defend him, just trying to make the point that laying this one on his shoulders is taking it way too easy on everybody else.

01-09-2011, 01:42 PM
Thig Lyfe R.I.P HOPE 2008-2009 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: America Casino cash: $529354	Cassel did, does, and will always suck I had backed off on my Cassel hate in the second half of the season because he actually started to play with a modicum of competence. But I never stopped being wary of him, because he was playing well against shitty, shitty ****ing teams. But today is proof positive that Cassel is NOT the answer. He will NOT be a franchise quarterback. He simply doesn't have the ability or the intelligence that is required. He never really progressed this season; he just managed to not shit himself against the NFC West. Can we all just agree that he's not the answer? Please?
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01-09-2011, 10:38 PM	#481
'Hamas' Jenkins Now You've Pissed Me Off!! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Koyaanisqatsi Casino cash: $154282	Only Brady and Roethlisberger are worthy of aspiration. It's not like Rivers, Rodgers, Ryan, Manning, or Brees are out there. You could very possibly add Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman, and Bradford to that list shortly. That's 7 definites and four other QBs that either have tremendous potential or potential and have won multiple times in the playoffs already. 11/32 Hell, Cutler, Vick, and Flacco are probably worthy of that discussion as well, and Eli Manning has run a two minute drive to win a SB against one of the greatest teams of all time. This is nowhere near as difficult as you claim it is. __________________ Because Mizzou.
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ChiefsCountry MVP Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $645999	Who gives a **** if they start in a Super Bowl. Winning the damn thing is only thing that matters. __________________
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the Talking Can MVP Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $301292	i am so looking forward to another year of pats fans obsessed with making us like a 'passable to mediocre' QB who's upside after 3 years as a starter, and at 29 years of age, is...wait for it....Rex Grossman.... just pat us on the head some more and tell us how we should be satisfied with 20 more years of pointless mediocrity at the most important position on the field... really.....more posts please about we can't expect anything more from our QB and we should just not worry our pretty heads about it... and then please **ing kill yourselves, and tape it, and mail it to us so we can have grandllama stream it...... __________________ Clark Hunt:a backup QB and an 8-8 record is worth 2 seconds"**
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01-09-2011, 10:49 PM	#488
Tribal Warfare The Boom Boom Room Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $1044783	Super Bowl QBs starting in 2000: Eli Manning* Trent Dilfer Brad Johnson Rex Grossman Jake Delhomme Matt Hasselbeck Gannon Kerry Collins McNabb Brady Peyton Manning Roethlisberger Warner Brees You think more than half of that list will be going to the HOF? Tossing in 1990-1999: McNair Chandler Favre Aikman O'Donnell Elway Kelly Rypien Humphries Hostetler (Was the QB in the playoffs, taking over for Simms) these are the ones that are or I consider franchise QBs. It's funny that you are trying to support mediocrity in th QB position __________________
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01-09-2011, 10:53 PM	#491
SNR You're all I have left, Copper Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $4528192	If I could use two words to describe Matt Cassel, I would choose these: Small. Time. He's a small time QB. Looks great against the NFC West. Can put up a few good plays against stunning defenses like the Texans, Jaguars, and 49ers. The playoffs are not small time. The playoffs are big time. The Super Bowl is biggest time. Small time cannot be equated to biggest time. At all.
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01-10-2011, 12:30 AM	#495
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $326208	This fits right in with the old saw that QBs get too much of the blame and too little of the praise. It was a team loss. Sure Cassel threw his picks. Know what else happened? Charles fumbled. McCluster fumbled. The defense wasn't even a speed bump. I mean, seriously, nearly 150 yards rushing allowed and a 115 rating for Flacco? Pathetic. The Chiefs weren't/aren't ready for prime time. We all knew that. We got exactly what we should've expected: a young rebuilding team with no big game experience gave it away to a veteran playoff team. They don't have the talent to compete at that level yet, and they don't have the seasoning to compete at that level yet. Maybe they will in 2011, after the infusion of a little bit more talent on both sides of the ball. As for Cassel, still not a fan. Didn't want the guy, don't want the guy, but he's who we've got, and we'd better hope he's more like the good 2010 Cassel going forward, and less like the bad 2009/2010 Cassel. I'm not trying to defend him, just trying to make the point that laying this one on his shoulders is taking it way too easy on everybody else.
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