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Nolan and Zack Snyder, definitely an interesting team. There are already rumors now that Zod is going to be the villain.

I have to say I'm excited that it "appears" they aren't going to go totally out of left field and do something stupid and out of character for .
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Old 01-31-2011, 01:23 PM   #151
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Wild guess here, but since he has the Comedian as his Avatar, the use of violence and blunt language???
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For starters, how completely different it was from every other comic book superhero movie, most of which are complete shit.

Tell me what's so interesting and gripping about Dark Knight except for BIG AND SHINY and LOTS OF EXPLOSIONS and HEATH LEDGER'S DEAD AND WE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO LOVED HIM IN BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN?
Well I tend to like the dark and gritty direction the Batman series is taking these days. I like how it isn't all about Batman going out and saving the day, it had more depth. The main plot with Harvey Dent becoming the new face of crimefighting in Gotham makes sense. Bruce Wayne is probably, what, 30 something? He can't fight crime forever, they need more regular people in positions of power to step up and get the justice system back in order. Meanwhile, you had the Joker running around and basically making that impossible with his sadistic madness. Yeah, of course it was a little unrealistic with the Joker's perfectly executed schemes- but while defending the Watchmen (with that blue dude) I would hope you wouldn't argue against that. At times you have to suspend your disbelief, which I did with Watchmen, unfortunately I couldn't suspend my boredom...

By the way, Ledger's performance was great. You're just so much of a non-conformist you won't even acknowledge that.
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Old 01-31-2011, 02:12 PM   #153
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? That I enjoy his music? Or better, I enjoy his opinions expressed in interviews, especially his opinions about self expression (and art).

Back to Watchmen.

I want you to know that I am not mocking you or faulting you for enjoying Watchmen the movie. Honestly, you need to read the comic if you liked the movie so much.

First off the comic was written by Alan Moore, one of, if not the greatest comic authors ever. The comic was written as a critique of comics as a medium, and how you can use that medium to express ideas and push a story. That is what makes the passing of time with Dr. Manhattan so phenomenal when you see it on paper... one page it is 1945, the next it is the 80's or one cell is '45 the next is '80. All the while almost every single cell in the comic is a mirror of another cell on another page. Moore is known for doing crazy detailed structural shit with his comics. In a way this gives a visual feel to the comic that you have seen this before, that time is cyclical, the past repeats itself, etc.

In the comic the tone of the story is so much darker. On each page it feels like the end of the world might be on the next page. In the movie the showing of the doomsday clock really doesn't mean shit... you just gloss over it, there is no real foreboding feeling of impending doom. This is Snyder's doing. This is what happens in all his movies evidently. Damn, the movies may be pretty to look at, but they really forget to bring the story/plot/depth along for the ride. Snyder actually ****s up the visual of the movie by removing most of the refuse and garbage from the comic. The streets and sidewalks should have been trash covered, not just dirty. It is supposed to be New York city on the verge of social collapse, not NYC after a missed trash day. The NYC in this film should have looked more like the city in "Blade Runner."

This is getting long, sorry.

The characters were shallow versions of what the source material gave. Rorschach wasn't the primary focus of the comic, but that is fine. However, the comic version is so much better... so much more ****ed up, dark, and psychotic. Ozymandias is supposed to be the All America superhero. Part Clark Kent, part Bruce Wayne/Batman. He was supposed to be a supreme physical male specimen. Instead he was portrayed as possibly the most feminine of all the characters, even more so than the barely clad women.

The story, movie or film based, is cool. It is a noir style whodunnit set in the past using aging super heroes as the cast of characters. Unfortunately the movie was just average. Snyder didn't take advantage of the amazing source material, and instead opted to do what he always does, makes a shiny pretty movie with some slow-mo shots.
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Well I tend to like the dark and gritty direction the Batman series is taking these days. I like how it isn't all about Batman going out and saving the day, it had more depth. The main plot with Harvey Dent becoming the new face of crimefighting in Gotham makes sense. Bruce Wayne is probably, what, 30 something? He can't fight crime forever, they need more regular people in positions of power to step up and get the justice system back in order. Meanwhile, you had the Joker running around and basically making that impossible with his sadistic madness. Yeah, of course it was a little unrealistic with the Joker's perfectly executed schemes- but while defending the Watchmen (with that blue dude) I would hope you wouldn't argue against that. At times you have to suspend your disbelief, which I did with Watchmen, unfortunately I couldn't suspend my boredom...

By the way, Ledger's performance was great. You're just so much of a non-conformist you won't even acknowledge that.
It was a lot unrealistic, especially coming from a guy who is shown to whack his henchmen when done with them. He must have run Henchmen R Us out completely. How could some batshit crazy, but otherwise human, villian with constantly dwindling support pull off all the precision crap required to make DK's ridiculous - say again, RIDICULOUS - story work? Talk about suspension of disbelief. Dr. Manhattan, OTOH, was able to pull stuff off because he was basically a god. Obviously some suspension is involved there, but everything he does later makes sense for the character, and nobody is sitting in the audience thinking "what the hell, he couldn't do all that shit." He could basically pull anything off.

Like I said, I don't read comics, graphic novels, whatever you call them. That certainly gave me a clean slate going into Watchmen since I knew nothing about it. However, I did have some expectations with DK (especially since I liked Batman Begins so much), and they were quite simply not met. At all. Regardless of how many gushing critics and fanboys told me they should have been.

And when it comes to acting, Ledger can't hold Jack Nicholson's jock, dead or alive.
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Old 02-01-2011, 11:06 AM   #155
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Its a riff on the fact that Lucas f***ed up Star Wars by pandering too hard to the kiddies with stupid crap like Jar-Jar. Thats what Nolan is doing by bringing Catwoman IMO, dumbing it down & turning it to camp for the kiddies.

Batman by himself pushes to the very edge of believability, add in Catwoman & it goes right off the cliff into cartoon territory. Just how many ultra-rich, master martial artists/gymnasts with access to all kinds of cool gadgets live in Gotham anyway?
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Its a riff on the fact that Lucas f***ed up Star Wars by pandering too hard to the kiddies with stupid crap like Jar-Jar. Thats what Nolan is doing by bringing Catwoman IMO, dumbing it down & turning it to camp for the kiddies.

Batman by himself pushes to the very edge of believability, add in Catwoman & it goes right off the cliff into cartoon territory. Just how many ultra-rich, master martial artists/gymnasts with access to all kinds of cool gadgets live in Gotham anyway?
But Catwoman IS an original Batman villain from the comics. What's the difference between her and say the Joker or Penguin?
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The ****ing movie hasn't even been made and you are already complaining that it is bad. Douche.
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But Catwoman IS an original Batman villain from the comics. What's the difference between her and say the Joker or Penguin?
I dont care, for comics thats fine but to make a movie that adults have really supported, i just dont like it.

At the risk of sounding sexist, i simply dont believe a bit of it when i see a woman in some action movie whippin major ass.
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Its a riff on the fact that Lucas f***ed up Star Wars by pandering too hard to the kiddies with stupid crap like Jar-Jar. Thats what Nolan is doing by bringing Catwoman IMO, dumbing it down & turning it to camp for the kiddies.
What part about Batman Begins and Dark Knight were camp for the kiddies?? Nolan hasnt earned your trust yet??
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What part about Batman Begins and Dark Knight were camp for the kiddies?? Nolan hasnt earned your trust yet??
Thats my point, the first two were great because he kept them serious & pushed them to the very limits of believability, but not past. Adding in more than is necessary or believable ruins that IMO.

Of course i hold out hope that he manages to make this work, but i dunno.
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You're still a douche bag.

Have you read Batman: Hush?
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You're still a douche bag.

Have you read Batman: Hush?
And you, sir, are still a butt monkey.

Uh, yeah, i spent my entire childhood reading Batman.
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Uh, yeah, i spent my entire childhood reading Batman.
Sweet. Did you not like it?

Everyone of Nolan's films is about a broken man trying to fix himself. That is why he is so good at Batman. The addition/use of Catwoman is probably going to be along the lines of how she is used in Hush. Batman/Bruce Wayne will finally be able to become one person. This will happen when he is willing to ultimately share his secret identity with her.

He is also going to need an ally to take on Bane. Bane will be super strong, but more importantly, he will be super intelligent. Bane will figure out Batman and Bruce Wayne are one in the same. This is what will make the Catwoman/Selina Kyle - Bruce Wayne/Batman relationship so important. SK will understand what is at stake for Bruce Wayne/BM. That is my rather simple guess as to what is going to happen in this film.

There is also the typical notion in films/literature, that a man is incomplete until he is able to love a woman (or man in brokeback mountain).

So in the end, this is the last film in the trilogy, BM may be "killed" off, but BW will get the girl in the end... or in typical Nolan fashion, he won't get what he needs to make him whole.
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It was a lot unrealistic, especially coming from a guy who is shown to whack his henchmen when done with them. He must have run Henchmen R Us out completely. How could some batshit crazy, but otherwise human, villian with constantly dwindling support pull off all the precision crap required to make DK's ridiculous - say again, RIDICULOUS - story work? Talk about suspension of disbelief. Dr. Manhattan, OTOH, was able to pull stuff off because he was basically a god. Obviously some suspension is involved there, but everything he does later makes sense for the character, and nobody is sitting in the audience thinking "what the hell, he couldn't do all that shit." He could basically pull anything off.

Like I said, I don't read comics, graphic novels, whatever you call them. That certainly gave me a clean slate going into Watchmen since I knew nothing about it. However, I did have some expectations with DK (especially since I liked Batman Begins so much), and they were quite simply not met. At all. Regardless of how many gushing critics and fanboys told me they should have been.

And when it comes to acting, Ledger can't hold Jack Nicholson's jock, dead or alive.
I only recall him killing one of his own henchmen (the final bank robber in the opening scene), which was necessary for the robbery to be pulled off and for him to take all the money himself- if you remember he put the idea to start killing eachother off into their heads. He killed a bunch of the mob bosses henchmen of course, he was highly dangerous. THAT's why he was able to pull of those schemes with such precision. One of the mob bosses explained that to Batman when he tried shaking him down. He said something along the lines of "No one's gonna cross him for you. You've got rules, he doesn't." The way I see it, as a henchman, you've got two options- 1) do what you're told exactly the right way or 2) be killed.

On top of that, there weren't really any schemes that required his henchmen too much in the first place. The main one I could think of was when they tried to get Dent out of the security vehicle. Other than that, they appeared to be just for muscle.
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Sweet. Did you not like it?

Everyone of Nolan's films is about a broken man trying to fix himself. That is why he is so good at Batman. The addition/use of Catwoman is probably going to be along the lines of how she is used in Hush. Batman/Bruce Wayne will finally be able to become one person. This will happen when he is willing to ultimately share his secret identity with her.

He is also going to need an ally to take on Bane. Bane will be super strong, but more importantly, he will be super intelligent. Bane will figure out Batman and Bruce Wayne are one in the same. This is what will make the Catwoman/Selina Kyle - Bruce Wayne/Batman relationship so important. SK will understand what is at stake for Bruce Wayne/BM. That is my rather simple guess as to what is going to happen in this film.

There is also the typical notion in films/literature, that a man is incomplete until he is able to love a woman (or man in brokeback mountain).

So in the end, this is the last film in the trilogy, BM may be "killed" off, but BW will get the girl in the end... or in typical Nolan fashion, he won't get what he needs to make him whole.
He'll have that Count of Monte Cristo thing going on too in terrorizing what's left in the criminal underworld too.More importantly odd transition again since Cavill played Albert in 2002 COMC continuity , I I believe he's a very solid choice with his work on the Tudors dutiful and loyal to the cause with a sense of dignity.
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