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Old 02-02-2011, 02:24 PM  
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Arizona posturing for de facto seccession

File this under "nullification isn't as dead as some would like you to believe it is."


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Arizona to secede (without OFFICIALLY doing so)

Members of the state Legislature, including Arizona's de facto governor, Senate President Russell Pearce, have introduced a bill that essentially would have Arizona secede from the union without having to do so officially.

Really.

It's called SB1433, (See it here.) It creates a 12-member committee within the legislature that could "vote by simple majority to nullify in its entirety a specific federal law or regulation that is outside the scope of the powers delegated by the people to the federal government…"

Committee members themselves would decide this, then pass along their recommendation to the full Legislature. If, in turn, a majority of state lawmakers go along with the committee then, according to the bill, "this state and its citizens shall not recognize or be obligated to live under the statute, mandate or executive order."

The nullification committee also would be permitted to review all existing federal laws to see if our legislative geniuses want to toss them out as well.

In every legislative session in every state throughout the land there are proposals like this, usually made by a few fringe members who know their proposal has no chance but file it anyway to serve some personal or political agenda.

In this instance, legislators here -- who claim to be strict constitutionalists -- seem fairly willing to ignore what is commonly called the "supremacy clause" of the U.S. Constitution (as well as the Fourteenth Amendment), and which more or less say that federal law supersedes state law.

A state or a person can challenge such laws in court. But a state can't on its own simply declare a federal law to be unconsitutional.

Legislators who propose such things often are quietly patted on the heads and laughed off by their colleagues.

In our case, however, the legislation is being proposed by, among others, Sen. Pearce, the most powerful person in state government.

So, as wacky as the proposal is, that makes it much less of a laughing matter.

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Old 02-02-2011, 08:05 PM   #136
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By definition, they don't.

The constitution says what the supreme court says it says, even though I may have had a different interpretation on some parts. (the right to privacy is where, exactly?)

Thats why presidential elections and senate confirmation hearings are so important, the power of the court is enormous.
Exactly. And political favors seem to be too often repaid by the courts.
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Old 02-02-2011, 08:06 PM   #137
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Convince me that I need to convince you. Do you know what it means to have to go to work everyday to support yourself and your family? No. When you get into that world get back to me and maybe your opinions might have some basis in reality.
You need to convince me because that's what your arguments always come down to!
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Old 02-02-2011, 08:06 PM   #138
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What if I did? So what? What's it to you? Are you some kind of self appointed Inquisitor?

Pride goes before the fall.

And boy, you're heading off a cliff. I've washed my hands clean, I tried to help you but you just wouldn't listen.
You mock the Church's teachings and mock those people who live out the Church's teachings precisely for living out those teachings.
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Old 02-02-2011, 08:08 PM   #139
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You need to convince me because that's what your arguments always come down to!
Jenson I don't need to convince you of an damn thing. You can listen to others who have walked ahead of you or you can figure it out yourself. I would advise as most older people do to younger, that you listen more to someone who has walked the path you have yet to walk.
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Old 02-02-2011, 08:09 PM   #140
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Put a poll on here about

1) Who brings more quality posts to this forum, me or you, and I guarantee I win
2) Who not only doesn't 'can't stand' me but actually enjoys my posts, and I guarantee the 'Enjoys' outweighs the 'Doesn't Enjoys'

If either of those lose, I will leave this board forever.
Is this what you think of yourself? Narrowing it all down to a popularity contest?

You know, Jesus did something similar. It didn't go so well, he was nailed to a cross.

Go ahead and post your silly little poll, Barabas.
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Old 02-02-2011, 08:10 PM   #141
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You mock the Church's teachings and mock those people who live out the Church's teachings precisely for living out those teachings.
And I'm still forgiven.

Burns you up, doesn't it, boy?
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Old 02-02-2011, 08:11 PM   #142
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Jenson I don't need to convince you of an damn thing. You can listen to others who have walked ahead of you or you can figure it out yourself. I would advise as most older people do to younger, you listen more to someone who has walked the path you have yet to walk.
If you're not trying to convince me of anything, then why do you constantly talk up your mystical "personal experiences"?
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Old 02-02-2011, 08:12 PM   #143
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Is this what you think of yourself? Narrowing it all down to a popularity contest?

You know, Jesus did something similar. It didn't go so well, he was nailed to a cross.

Go ahead and post your silly little poll, Barabas.
I'm not going to post a poll. But I give you my blessing if you want to do it.
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Old 02-02-2011, 08:12 PM   #144
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And I'm still forgiven.

Burns you up, doesn't it, boy?
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Old 02-02-2011, 08:15 PM   #145
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If you're not trying to convince me of anything, then why do you constantly talk up your mystical "personal experiences"?
I don't talk them up. That's your insecurities getting the best of you, as usual. You are an angry, angry person who feels he constantly needs to prove himself better than everyone else by trying to tear others down. That is not only ignoran and unwise, it is a sign of a psychological condition.

In a nutshell, Jenson, you seem to display in post after post an unease with the fact that someone may know something you don't, may have done something you haven't or may have experineced something you have yet to experience.

You remind me of someone who is about to head into a maze and instead of listening to the people who already went through it, you flip them the finger, tell them how smart you are and how dumb they are and go headlong into the maze shrouded in blind ignorance.
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Why do you even try to discuss things with him?
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And I'm still forgiven.

Burns you up, doesn't it, boy?
You mock the Church's teachings and mock those people who live out the Church's teachings precisely for living out those teachings.

And then you boast about how you're forgiven soon after? As if you've had some sort of Confession in the past three minutes, and your conscience is clean?

Or are you one of those Catholics who not only think the Church's teachings on sexuality is stupid, but so is her teachings on the sacrament of Penance?
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What if we divide the country at the mississippi, constructionists in the west and socialists in the east?

The West will just have to erect a wall to keep people from the East escaping... Sounds familiar.
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