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Old 02-11-2011, 10:17 AM  
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Mubarak Steps Down

'Egypt is free! Egypt is free!'

Wild cheers erupted from tens of thousands of demonstrators in Cairo's Tahrir Square after word spread that Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has resigned. Demonstrators chanted "Egypt is free!" upon hearing the news.

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Old 02-11-2011, 02:41 PM   #166
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Old 02-11-2011, 02:41 PM   #167
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You don't think people in Egypt watched what happened in Iran and learned from it?
They probably did, but if Iran was the reason they decided to revolt, why did they wait so long?

Also, what do you think they learned from Iran and what did they do differently as a result?
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Old 02-11-2011, 02:42 PM   #168
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So, what happened in Iran had nothing to do with what we saw in Tunisia and are seeing in Egypt.
I don't understand why this is a big deal to you?

But it doesn't matter. Iran didn't start anything either -- it was a populous "color" revolution in the vein of many before it. Just as Tunisia was, and Egypt was, and Yemen and the like are and continue to be.

To say that these events all happen in a vacuum without affecting one another, especially as they all reference one another during their demonstrations, is foolhardy.
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Old 02-11-2011, 02:43 PM   #169
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They probably did, but if Iran was the reason they decided to revolt, why did they wait so long?
Good lord you are a dumbass sometimes.

I don't say this lightly, because this is such a wonderful day. But you consistently say really silly things when it comes to foreign policy.
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Old 02-11-2011, 02:43 PM   #170
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Old 02-11-2011, 02:44 PM   #171
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Exactly what I thought you would "say." You, sir, do not disappoint.
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Old 02-11-2011, 02:44 PM   #172
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I give Bush immense credit for embracing a philosophy that supported democratizing the Middle East. I think that philosophy does come out and does pay dividends, even in the face of what I consider to be disasterous policy blunders and poisonous decisions that make the process more difficult than it needs to be.

No President before Bush paid stronger lip service or, however faulty, actual service, to liberating the Middle East than he did. Any credit to Americans for helping this process must be partially distributed to Bush.

But it wasn't his head in the way or a policeman's bullet. It wasn't his chest underneathe a camel hoof. And it wasn't his fight.

The hardest work was done, and the largest amount of the credit belongs, to the Egyptian people who have done superb work minimalizing personal harm & property, and maintaining their principles through the end.
Let's face it. Any success on the part of freedom in the Middle East owes a great deal of credit to the American liberation of Iraq for getting the ball rolling.
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Old 02-11-2011, 02:44 PM   #173
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Old 02-11-2011, 02:44 PM   #174
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I don't understand why this is a big deal to you?

But it doesn't matter. Iran didn't start anything either -- it was a populous "color" revolution in the vein of many before it. Just as Tunisia was, and Egypt was, and Yemen and the like are and continue to be.

To say that these events all happen in a vacuum without affecting one another, especially as they all reference one another during their demonstrations, is foolhardy.
Because you wrote this: "Iran's failure to overthrow their autocrats was a moral victory that put down an emotional deposit that Tunisia, Egypt, and soon other countries have started to cash."

Again, I don't see any evidence that what has happened in Iran had any bearing on what happened in Tunisia and Egypt.
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Old 02-11-2011, 02:45 PM   #175
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Right, one is an anti-American change in the global political alignment and the other is just a guy doing his job to help Americans. It's a shame you side with the former.
How do you know it is going to be anti-American? Do you have a crystal ball?

All I support is for the Egyptian people to decide their own fate just like we did. What is wrong with that?
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Old 02-11-2011, 02:48 PM   #176
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Let's face it. Any success on the part of freedom in the Middle East owes a great deal of credit to the American liberation of Iraq for getting the ball rolling.
Mmm... Not sure I'd go that far.

Although it certainly had an effect. Democracy and self-governance is such a powerful force that even in the face of overwhelming violence, Iraqis turned out in phenomenal numbers to vote, in an exercise of power that had to have made others who lack that self-determination long for it.

You're doing your argument a disservice when you say "any" success. That's too simplistic for me to agree with.
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Old 02-11-2011, 02:48 PM   #177
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Good lord you are a dumbass sometimes.

I don't say this lightly, because this is such a wonderful day. But you consistently say really silly things when it comes to foreign policy.
Says the gal who gives her support in colored font and flowery words about the Middle East?

I'm fully aware that "hope and change" are enough for people like you and I'm glad that it makes you feel better, but you don't have ANY evidence that what happened in Iran had any bearing on Tunisia and Egypt.

If Iran was the catalyst, why did the Egyptians wait until now to revolt?
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Old 02-11-2011, 02:49 PM   #178
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Again, I don't see any evidence that what has happened in Iran had any bearing on what happened in Tunisia and Egypt.
First of all, I don't care.

Second of all, enjoy that reality where events in closely knit parts of the world occur in an insular vacuum.
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How do you know it is going to be anti-American? Do you have a crystal ball?

All I support is for the Egyptian people to decide their own fate just like we did. What is wrong with that?
You've already been told that, dirk. That's why I'm not wetting myself with joy over these developments until it is played out.
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Says the gal who gives her support in colored font and flowery words about the Middle East?
My reasoning for that is simple: one of the most important things we as a people can do to help democracy bloom is to simply pay attention when people fight for it.

It is so simple. Requires a minute amount of effort. Anybody can do it.

And that simple effort can help mountains move.

My apologies if you don't like the way I write. I guess.

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If Iran was the catalyst, why did the Egyptians wait until now to revolt?
Because it did. Every grassroots movement is different. Some are overnight, others congeal over time. This one was a slowburn.
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