Another two weeks before the lockout is over?

[ToxSocks]

I'm over this shit now....

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/

Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham”
Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today.

In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit.

Here is the explanatory report he just filed:

By Ron Borges
ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways.

When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country.

Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day.


The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today.

Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union.

With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players.

“It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football.

“You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table.

He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season.

Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything.

So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Bullshit.

If you think football can just open the doors and after a whole offseason of lost practices and otas, and now lost time of training camps if a deal isn't done TODAY...it's gonna get to the point real quick where preseason games are cancelled and it's not far off odor the timeframe of missing real games.

The exhibition games don't matter much. The players can miss two of them and still be ready for the regular games.


Quit weeping like a diseased vagina.

[the Talking Can]

teams with rookie QBs are going to get rape slaughtered

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

teams with rookie QBs are going to get rape slaughtered

Not to mention teams with new HCs and coordinators that were hired out side of their organization.

[Hydrae]

Originally Posted by Red 5

It's gonna be interesting to see how competent teams are the first month of the regular season.

I'm guessing the teams with the most talent and the most talent on defense dominate.

And those with established QBs and coaching staffs.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

teams with rookie QBs are going to get rape slaughtered

Luckily we have Cassel

[tomahawk kid]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Haha Rich Eisen is stating exactly what I was talking about last night.

It's just typical lawyer "billable hours" that is holding this process up.

Speaking of watching the NFL Network, I tried last night for the better part of 30 minutes. Everytime they went to Jason LaConfora, I just wanted to beat him severely with a heavy object.

How anyone can listen to that arrogant, wonky eyed clown is beyond me.

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by tomahawk kid

Speaking of watching the NFL Network, I tried last night for the better part of 30 minutes. Everytime they went to Jason LaConfora, I just wanted to beat him severely with a heavy object.

How anyone can listen to that arrogant, wonky eyed clown is beyond me.

Because the NFLN breaks stuff more often than not.

And LaCanfora is usually on top of everything.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Luckily we have Cassel

i'd play Huard before I'd throw a rookie out in this mess...let some poor nobody get killed

[tomahawk kid]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Because the NFLN breaks stuff more often than not.

And LaCanfora is usually on top of everything.

Given.

But still, I'd rather get my info 30 seconds later and not have to listen to him.

[ToxSocks]

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 22, 2011, 4:44 PM EDT

AP
Patriots guard Logan Mankins made it clear Thursday he’s not looking for anything in return for being an antitrust plaintiff. As Florio mentioned last night, Vincent Jackson remains a bit of a problem.

Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that Jackson continues to demand $10 million or no franchise tag for life, despite Jackson’s public claims to the contrary. While Jackson hasn’t made the demands himself (of course), people “close to him” have made the demands.

Florio mentioned the NFLPA* fears a lawsuit from Jackson. The Chargers receiver has somehow become an issue for both sides of the labor dispute.

It’s unclear how Jackson’s situation will be resolved, but it would be shocking for the NFL to back down and give Jackson anything. Schefter suggests Jackson could continue to sue the league even after the antitrust plaintiffs step down.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 22, 2011, 4:44 PM EDT

AP
Patriots guard Logan Mankins made it clear Thursday he’s not looking for anything in return for being an antitrust plaintiff. As Florio mentioned last night, Vincent Jackson remains a bit of a problem.

Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that Jackson continues to demand $10 million or no franchise tag for life, despite Jackson’s public claims to the contrary. While Jackson hasn’t made the demands himself (of course), people “close to him” have made the demands.

Florio mentioned the NFLPA* fears a lawsuit from Jackson. The Chargers receiver has somehow become an issue for both sides of the labor dispute.

It’s unclear how Jackson’s situation will be resolved, but it would be shocking for the NFL to back down and give Jackson anything. Schefter suggests Jackson could continue to sue the league even after the antitrust plaintiffs step down.

Like i said early hope they make him a UFA and all the teams blackball him

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Hunt gonna be on nick wright next lol should be fun.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Red 5

It's gonna be interesting to see how competent teams are the first month of the regular season.

I'm guessing the teams with the most talent and the most talent on defense dominate.

Things aren't going to be much different, IMO.

Teams with the best QB's and defenses will be fine.

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

The exhibition games don't matter much. The players can miss two of them and still be ready for the regular games.


Quit weeping like a diseased vagina.

This.

Exhibition games are for the coaches to evaluate the back end of the roster and the extra 30+ camp bodies.

Most starters are lucky to play the equivalent of one full game over the course of the PS.

2 PS games is enough. Coaches won't like it, but tough shit.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

This.

Exhibition games are for the coaches to evaluate the back end of the roster and the extra 30+ camp bodies.

Most starters are lucky to play the equivalent of one full game over the course of the PS.

2 PS games is enough. Coaches won't like it, but tough shit.

Yeah, you've got to love how Goodell was all about making it 2 exhibitions and 18 regular season games, and there was no screaming about those two lost exhibitions. Now, all of the sudden, losing those games could be the downfall of the NFL and civilization as we know it.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

I don't think any preseason games are going to be missed if a deal is done by Wednesday.

Our first preseason game is set for the 12th.

Let's say they get a deal signed (and the union is re-certified) on Wednesday.

That means they go from no practices/OTAs/workouts to preparing for a preseason game/ have free agency/ sign draft picks/ etc in two weeks.

You think that's gonna happen?

At this point, camp is almost assuredly shot.

Originally Posted by alnorth

Actually, you do not.

As the Wall Street Journal and a whole lot of lawyers elsewhere have explained, the players cant rush into reforming and signing in a day or two, or some random player could whine in court and get the deal tossed later.

The NFL did not do their legal homework and created a mess. The players need to take their time to at least create the appearance that they are carefully considering the CBA and the possibility of re-forming the union. If they rush it, the courts or the NLRB could interfere later.

There is nothing keeping that from happening now.

The lawyers screwed the pooch.

It's done.