Francona out in Chowda land???

[whoman69]

I was surprised how much Red Sox fans are still playing the Curse of the Bambino martyr even after winning two championships. Its gotta be frustrating working under such conditions. Most Red Sox fans didn't want to let Francona go until they heard that he didn't want to be there anymore.

[Pioli Zombie]

Originally Posted by whoman69

I was surprised how much Red Sox fans are still playing the Curse of the Bambino martyr even after winning two championships. Its gotta be frustrating working under such conditions. Most Red Sox fans didn't want to let Francona go until they heard that he didn't want to be there anymore.

Yup. Boston fans are the biggest group of bandwagon crybabies in the country. 7 parades in 10 years and they still think everything sucks. Now people who didn't watch hockey for twenty years are all Bruins fans. I still love the teams, but I hate the fans there. Go on www.weei.com sometime and listen to it. They'll be going over the same pitching move for 12 hours.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Yup. Boston fans are the biggest group of bandwagon crybabies in the country. 7 parades in 10 years and they still think everything sucks. Now people who didn't watch hockey for twenty years are all Bruins fans. I still love the teams, but I hate the fans there. Go on www.weei.com sometime and listen to it. They'll be going over the same pitching move for 12 hours.

Pink Sock Nation.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Amazing that they decide to can Francona and not the moron who decided to give 250 million to John Lackey and Carl Crawford, destroyed his office when he couldn't sign Jose Contreras, and gave a mint to Julio Lugo and Dice K.

[Bump]

hell, if he came to KC and won just 80 games in one season he'd be a legend forever. Forget about playoffs or a world series ring.

[chefsos]

I think it was time for a fresh start on all sides. Either he was just done dealing with the pricks in the clubhouse, or he had a hand in letting them become pricks, or a little of both. Doesn't matter much. 8 years is a long time for any manager today.

[Stewie]

Originally Posted by Bump

hell, if he came to KC and won just 80 games in one season he'd be a legend forever. Forget about playoffs or a world series ring.

I'm a Royals' homer, but I don't think 80 wins next year is out of the realm of possibility. They just need to get the starting pitching straightened out. The everyday players really started to put it together the last couple of months.

[Deberg_1990]

Crazy...any city outside of NY and Boston, with this guys credentials, he would be a Manager for life.

[booger]

Francona and Pioli are close pals. Watch out Haley.

[booger]

think they promote Demarlo Hale JD?

[JD10367]

Originally Posted by booger

think they promote Demarlo Hale JD?

Doubtful. Knowing this ownership they'll try to do something splashy, like steal Cashman from the Yankees and see if Joe Torre will come back to coaching.

Frankly, what I think the Red Sox honestly need is to suck. To suck long and hard. To the point where New Englanders no longer fixate on the team and start to ignore it, and attendance drops, and the giant corporation that is the Red Sox loses merchandising money and TV revenue. Once the team is in disarray and no longer the focus, they might actually be able to hire decent low-profile people and get something done. Right now, it's like trying to have your best sex in front of a live TV audience. There's no way, next season, anything they do will turn out to be anything but a giant circus.

[booger]

Originally Posted by JD10367

Doubtful. Knowing this ownership they'll try to do something splashy, like steal Cashman from the Yankees and see if Joe Torre will come back to coaching.

Frankly, what I think the Red Sox honestly need is to suck. To suck long and hard. To the point where New Englanders no longer fixate on the team and start to ignore it, and attendance drops, and the giant corporation that is the Red Sox loses merchandising money and TV revenue. Once the team is in disarray and no longer the focus, they might actually be able to hire decent low-profile people and get something done. Right now, it's like trying to have your best sex in front of a live TV audience. There's no way, next season, anything they do will turn out to be anything but a giant circus.

didn't think of that aspect of it with Hale. Seems like he is highly thought of though.

[MIAdragon]

Originally Posted by booger

think they promote Demarlo Hale JD?

I think Demarlo would be an ideal candidate but he was part of the staff that lost the clubhouse (and the alleged reason for letting Tito go) so I don't see how you can Blame Tito and let everyone else slide. IMO the need a new voice, someone young to come in a kick some ass. The last time we needed a manager after Little the final 2 candidates were Tito and Joe Maddon. I have no doubt the FO will come up with someone that can get the job done.

I can see Theo also jumping ship here in the next week or two.

Get ready for a healthy roster shakeup as well. Change like this sucks.

[JD10367]

Originally Posted by MIAdragon

I can see Theo also jumping ship here in the next week or two.

I actually hope he does, because I think he was the bigger part of the problem. If you're going to hold the manager accountable (in this case, a bit unfairly so, IMO) then you have to do the same with the GM. Get a new GM, let him pick his new manager, and get going weeding out the shitheads from the players who actually try hard.

I actually like quite a bit of the team. Pedroia and Youkilis seem like solid clubhouse guys and, when not injured, contribute greatly. Jacoby Ellsbury showed he deserves a big payday. AGon tailed off a bit but still had solid numbers. Crawford they're stuck with, and just have to hope he rebounds. Saltalamacchia can hold the fort until Lavarnway is ready to take it over. I think the end of the line is here for Varitek, as well as Ortiz (and Wakefield, of course). Scutaro's okay until they get someone better. One good hitter puts this lineup back on track, I think. The starting pitching staff is the bigger issue (the consistency of Lester, the health of Buchholz, what to do with Beckett to get him motivated to stay in shape, how to get rid of Lackey ASAP). Relievers can use more depth, although I think they have a keeper in Aceves. They're going to have to re-sign Papelbon, like it or not (even with the blown save in the final game, he'd blown few this season, and Bard clearly isn't ready to even remain the 8th-inning guy let alone the closer).

It's amazing the fine line between winning and losing. If Buchholz was healthy, or Youkilis, or Bard didn't collapse, or Wakefield didn't lose 374 in a row trying to win #200... I mean, they only missed out by ONE freakin' win. If they'd gotten into the playoffs, and somehow won the opening series, all would've been forgiven regarding September and Francona wouldn't now be looking for a job. (Same goes for the Patriots. Belichick was close to being fired in 2000 before Mo Lewis knocked Drew Bledsoe into the hospital. Then after that you had the Tuck Rule Snow Bowl game against Oakland. Then you had Adam Vinatieri's FG to put that game in OT and then win it, plus his FGs making the difference in all three Super Bowls... A few different breaks and, not only is Belichick not looked upon as a genius, but he's probably slogging away in Carolina or Jacksonville or somewhere still trying to get out of Bill Parcells's shadow.)

[MIAdragon]

Originally Posted by JD10367

I actually hope he does, because I think he was the bigger part of the problem.

No argument here, Theo is not the answer. He is on the "right place at the right time" train and that shit needs to stop.

Originally Posted by JD10367

I actually like quite a bit of the team. Pedroia and Youkilis seem like solid clubhouse guys and, when not injured, contribute greatly.

Ive see quite a bit lately that says otherwise, I was like you and thought he was solid but it seems he's been part of the problem with the recent events. I know he was quite vocal about Jacoby and his injuries last season but I guess its much more than that.

Originally Posted by JD10367

AGon tailed off a bit but still had solid numbers.

He was fighting calf issues as well as problems with the same shoulder he had surgery on in the off season, hope that's not a chronic problem.

Originally Posted by JD10367

Crawford they're stuck with, and just have to hope he rebounds.

I just dont understand where this suck came from, its rather perplexing.

Originally Posted by JD10367

Saltalamacchia can hold the fort until Lavarnway is ready to take it over.

Salty looks great then he looks like ass, I think the season really took a toll on him late. He earned another season before we make any decisions on what he is or isn't. The concern with Ryan is if he can stick behind the dish, if not his bat may not be good enough to play 1st or DH.

Originally Posted by JD10367

I think the end of the line is here for Varitek, as well as Ortiz (and Wakefield, of course).

All of these guys need to go, close the book turn over a new leaf whatever you want to say just get the **** out.

Originally Posted by JD10367

Scutaro's okay until they get someone better.

Im SO ready to have a decent fielding SS in Fenway its not even funny. Id like to see one of the Kids we have get a shot next season.

Originally Posted by JD10367

. The starting pitching staff is the bigger issue (the consistency of Lester, the health of Buchholz, what to do with Beckett to get him motivated to stay in shape, how to get rid of Lackey ASAP).

Buch shouldnt have any lasting effect from his injury, Lester and Beckett will be fine when we punt that **** face Lacky. I can see us paying a team ( like the Padres) to take him.

Originally Posted by JD10367

Relievers can use more depth, although I think they have a keeper in Aceves. They're going to have to re-sign Papelbon, like it or not (even with the blown save in the final game, he'd blown few this season, and Bard clearly isn't ready to even remain the 8th-inning guy let alone the closer).

I think Bard is ready he was simply over worked that being said I think they still make a run at paps I just dont want to overspend, and I think thats whats going to happen whomever signs the guy.

Originally Posted by JD10367

It's amazing the fine line between winning and losing. If Buchholz was healthy, or Youkilis, or Bard didn't collapse, or Wakefield didn't lose 374 in a row trying to win #200... I mean, they only missed out by ONE freakin' win. If they'd gotten into the playoffs, and somehow won the opening series, all would've been forgiven regarding September and Francona wouldn't now be looking for a job. (Same goes for the Patriots. Belichick was close to being fired in 2000 before Mo Lewis knocked Drew Bledsoe into the hospital. Then after that you had the Tuck Rule Snow Bowl game against Oakland. Then you had Adam Vinatieri's FG to put that game in OT and then win it, plus his FGs making the difference in all three Super Bowls... A few different breaks and, not only is Belichick not looked upon as a genius, but he's probably slogging away in Carolina or Jacksonville or somewhere still trying to get out of Bill Parcells's shadow.)

Yep, although It sucks loosing Tito but I think in the long run this may be the best for the team, a Paradigm Shift was desperately needed. The current team has the talent to win it all just need to put it all together.