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Old 01-09-2011, 01:42 PM  
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Cassel did, does, and will always suck

I had backed off on my Cassel hate in the second half of the season because he actually started to play with a modicum of competence. But I never stopped being wary of him, because he was playing well against shitty, shitty ****ing teams.

But today is proof positive that Cassel is NOT the answer. He will NOT be a franchise quarterback. He simply doesn't have the ability or the intelligence that is required. He never really progressed this season; he just managed to not shit himself against the NFC West.

Can we all just agree that he's not the answer? Please?
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:15 PM   #1156
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so if we take a QB in the 1st round...we have a 10% shot of winning a Super Bowl over 10 or so years?!?! SIGN ME UP, PLEASE!

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Old 10-09-2011, 09:15 PM   #1157
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So there are more 1st round QB busts, than late round QB busts?




Are you retarded?

Nope, not really. My premise is that because they are listed as a "can't miss" the prognosticators aren't infallible.

A first rounder is supposed to be a stud. That's why they're picked first. A late rounder is minimum loss with nothing but upside.

That being said, my words are getting a little twisted here. I'm not advocating not picking a first round quarterback. I just think it's stupid to throw a season on a guy who's draft value is based on playing weak competition in college.
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:15 PM   #1158
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Why are you sorry.

Aaron Rodger is playing QB at the highest level we've ever seen.

I'd trade 3 drafts for him, and wouldn't think twice.
Nice.

Figured you'd throw down some old school argument or something.
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:17 PM   #1159
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anyone who doubts Luck is just a complete, oblivious dumbass

it's that simple

he's the best QB prospect ever

the dude has literally no shot of failing outside of a tragic event (injury, airplane crash, AIDS, etc...)
Luck is the highest rated prospect since Elway, and before Elway, that prospect might have been Jim Plunket.

So, you can see that there are no guarantees, but I'd trade the next two drafts for Luck.
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:17 PM   #1160
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Leinart was a 'cant miss'? Really, @ 10th overall? QB's that are can't miss go 1 or 2.
Really, because I specifically remember everybody gushing over him prior to the draft. I even remember Tony Gonzales gushing over him as well.
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:18 PM   #1161
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Right now i'd almost trade my wife to have aaron Rodgers as a Chief.


Well she might trade me i guess, she is as big a fan as me.




Prob. wouldn't trade the wife. But would be a tough dec.
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:19 PM   #1162
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Honestly, the only comparison to how Rodgers is playing that I can think of would have to be Kurt Warner in their Superbowl victory run. Kurt Warner was demonic that season, you could say Brady in '07 but he failed to finish in the Superbowl (which was awesome).
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:19 PM   #1163
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Nope, not really. My premise is that because they are listed as a "can't miss" the prognosticators aren't infallible.

A first rounder is supposed to be a stud. That's why they're picked first. A late rounder is minimum loss with nothing but upside.

That being said, my words are getting a little twisted here. I'm not advocating not picking a first round quarterback. I just think it's stupid to throw a season on a guy who's draft value is based on playing weak competition in college.
"throw a season?"

our pieces are in place...we have an elite WR, a good slot guy, and a 1st round #2...

we have a good TE (injury prone)...

we have an emerging offensive line...

and we have Jamaal Charles...plus a gadget back who could probably be pretty useful if we had a QB who could make reads

we're set on offense

Defensively we have a top 5 rusher in the NFL...we have a ton of highly drafted, highly skilled DL (whether or not they live up to their potential I don't know)...

Belcher and DJ have played really good ILB this year...

we have 2 real good CB's, a pretty good nickel...an elite safety...

SO HOW ARE WE THROWING A SEASON!??!

WE'RE 1 GOD DAMN FRANCHISE QB AWAY (WITH SOME FILLER PIECES) FROM BEING AN ABSOLUTE CONTENDER.

Draft picks are terrific....they really are. They are also overrated on this board (as proven time and time again) and any time you can get a sure thing (Aaron Rodgers, Andrew Luck) you do what it takes to get that player...

even if it costs two drafts

(again, I know this is unrealistic, no one is going to trade two drafts, I'm just making a point)
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:19 PM   #1164
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Really, because I specifically remember everybody gushing over him prior to the draft. I even remember Tony Gonzales gushing over him as well.
There were more questions about Leinart that there were about Manning, and Manning had more questions that there are now about Luck.

Luck is the clsoest thing to a sure thing at QB that we've seen in 20+years.
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:20 PM   #1165
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Really, because I specifically remember everybody gushing over him prior to the draft. I even remember Tony Gonzales gushing over him as well.
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:20 PM   #1166
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Really, because I specifically remember everybody gushing over him prior to the draft. I even remember Tony Gonzales gushing over him as well.
Difference between Leinart is that Luck does not play on an all world team. Leinart did. Luck didn't have even half the talent on his team that Leinart did. Luck still put up just as good if not better numbers then Leinart.
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:20 PM   #1167
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"throw a season?"

our pieces are in place...we have an elite WR, a good slot guy, and a 1st round #2...

we have a good TE (injury prone)...

we have an emerging offensive line...

and we have Jamaal Charles...plus a gadget back who could probably be pretty useful if we had a QB who could make reads

we're set on offense

Defensively we have a top 5 rusher in the NFL...we have a ton of highly drafted, highly skilled DL (whether or not they live up to their potential I don't know)...

Belcher and DJ have played really good ILB this year...

we have 2 real good CB's, a pretty good nickel...an elite safety...

SO HOW ARE WE THROWING A SEASON!??!

WE'RE 1 GOD DAMN FRANCHISE QB AWAY (WITH SOME FILLER PIECES) FROM BEING AN ABSOLUTE CONTENDER.

Draft picks are terrific....they really are. They are also overrated on this board (as proven time and time again) and any time you can get a sure thing (Aaron Rodgers, Andrew Luck) you do what it takes to get that player...

even if it costs two drafts

(again, I know this is unrealistic, no one is going to trade two drafts, I'm just making a point)
Solid post. Really well done. I would even go to say that the DL picks we have made are really playing well right now. Jackson and Dorsey have played pretty well as of late.
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:21 PM   #1168
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Had to dig to find this tweet from some stats.

Here's your answer.

Since 1970- 32% of QBs taken 1st overall have won SB.
9.5% of QBs taken in rest of 1st round have won SB.
2.5% QBs rds 2-4.
1% QBs rds 5+

Yes there are busts. But statistically, the higher you are, the better shape you're in for landing a SB QB. Satisfied?
Not necessarily. how about the last 10 years, since the beginning of your sample was significantly different than the era we are now in. Hell I'd be satisfied with since 1993, since that is approximately the era the nfl is in currently began
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:22 PM   #1169
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Not necessarily. how about the last 10 years, since the beginning of your sample was significantly different than the era we are now in. Hell I'd be satisfied with since 1993, since that is approximately the era the nfl is in currently began
Good gried. Keep moving the goalpost.
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:22 PM   #1170
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Not necessarily. how about the last 10 years, since the beginning of your sample was significantly different than the era we are now in. Hell I'd be satisfied with since 1993, since that is approximately the era the nfl is in currently began
well then go look it up

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