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Old 12-31-2011, 02:52 PM  
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2012 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread

2012 Slogan: Our Time

A better, more accurate 2012 Slogan: It is Finally Next Year
(from Great Expectations)

An alternative slogan if you don't like that one: Someone has to win this crappy division
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With the beginning of a new year, it is time for the 2012 version of the Royals Repository Thread. We've got Hosmer, we've got a 2011-dominating Gordon, we've got Moose, we've got hopefully a killer bullpen, we've got a stereotypical slow slugging DH, we've got easily one of the best defensive shortstops in the AL, we've got a promising catcher in Salvador Perez. Hell, we've got offense and promising prospects galore.

We do not have starting pitching.

Oh yeah, we've also got this:



Get ready for, (as of January 2012 anyway), one of the most confusing puzzles of a baseball season in recent Royals history. Will they suck? Maybe, I don't know. Will we be given a year of 0.500 baseball? Possibly, I don't know. Will they win the division and go to the playoffs for the first time in 27 years? For the first time in a long time, it could happen, I don't know. 92 losses, 92 wins, or anything in between would not surprise a lot of us.

Everything goes here except Gameday threads and really big news. If a giant story breaks, the Royals achieve some awesome milestone, or we sign/lose a highly significant player/coach/mascot/whatever, then it might also deserve its own thread. This being Chiefs Planet, please do not clutter the board with new threads about trivial Royals news or you will only annoy those who come here for just Chiefs football. If you aren't sure and its not a Gameday thread, it goes here.

What sort of stuff often goes here? SPchief explained it well, so I'll just copy that:

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If you locate something of interest.. ANYTHING.. deals on apparel, best ways in/out of the stadium, giveaways, great stories from this season or from seasons gone by, rumors, trades, anything.... feel free to post it here.

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Old 01-26-2012, 09:57 AM   #586
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http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2012/index.jsp

Cool list here O's got 2 in the top 10.
Four Royals in the top 50. Not bad, but not what it was a year ago. Graduation ...

I still covet Bundy(and Bauer) pretty hard. Wish Jack Z had stuck to the mocks and taken Lindor or Starling, so one of those two would have fallen to the Royals.

I like Bubba a lot, and I love that they're stockpiling so many young, toolsy OFs (Bubba, Bonificio, Hernandez, etc) that have superstar potential. But Bundy is sick.

I will have to satisfy my Trevor Bauer boner by getting him on as many fantasy teams as I can...
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Old 01-26-2012, 10:49 AM   #587
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I understand that .500 would be tremendous improvement overall. But damn I'm tired of treating the Royals with kid gloves.

Win some ****ing games already. We need to stop looking for more excuses. Oh, they're young! Oh, the Tigers spend money! Oh, the park is big! Oh, we had one less T-shirt Tuesday!

Win. Just ****ing win, douches.
There's no kid gloves to it. People making macho declarations won't make a difference either. It is what it is at this point. We don't even know if we have a true #1 pitcher yet. There's a chance to be a decent team... but the starting pitching has to start like they finished last year.
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Old 01-26-2012, 11:03 AM   #588
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I don't know what will happen, but if they suck. I will be prepares for 100 posts of "same old Royals" by dickbags, and hearing John Q Dickhead saying "WE NEED PITCHING!" by the water cooler
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Old 01-26-2012, 12:41 PM   #589
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There's no kid gloves to it. People making macho declarations won't make a difference either. It is what it is at this point. We don't even know if we have a true #1 pitcher yet. There's a chance to be a decent team... but the starting pitching has to start like they finished last year.
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All I'm saying is that it's past due for the organization to be held accountable for its win-loss record, something that has largely received a pass for well over a decade now.

.500 should be viewed as a what it is, mediocre.
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Old 01-26-2012, 01:03 PM   #590
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All I'm saying is that it's past due for the organization to be held accountable for its win-loss record, something that has largely received a pass for well over a decade now.

.500 should be viewed as a what it is, mediocre.
Agreed that .500 is mediocre and its time to start seeing results on the field.

But it's about more than just the record. If we see a lot of progression from young players and end up .500 or right around that, and it shows light for 2013 and beyond, that can be viewed as successful season.

For example... let's say Jonathan Sanchez, Paulino and Chen all bomb in the first half and the Royals fall into a big hole despite expected performances from the offense and bullpen. However, Hochevar keeps up what he started in the second half of 2011, and Duffy makes big strides. Montgomery comes up at the ASB and is really good, and Lamb makes a full recovery and zooms to Omaha before season end.

In that case, I'd say a .500 overall record would be a positive.
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Excellent post. You're right that I should avoid constructing a false dichotomy.
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Old 01-26-2012, 01:38 PM   #592
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Excellent post. You're right that I should avoid constructing a false dichotomy.
Hopefully my example is a nonissue, and we see the Royals win like 85 games while the whole team meets or exceeds expectations.
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Old 01-26-2012, 02:39 PM   #593
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All I'm saying is that it's past due for the organization to be held accountable for its win-loss record, something that has largely received a pass for well over a decade now.

.500 should be viewed as a what it is, mediocre.
I think you are 1 year early. Given that the Royals organization was a smoking ruin needing a long rebuild when DM took over, he needed a long grace period. Significant progress after several years earned him an extension on that grace period vs having to get someone else who knew how to draft and develop players if it wasn't working.

They are almost up, and by next season we ought to have had enough of our minor league pitching come up and get experience to the point where the training wheels come off.

In 2013, especially in this division, .500 should be viewed the same as an 8-8 year in football. We can re-evaluate after 2018 depending on who stayed, who left, and if we need a new rebuilding period, but from 2013-18 we should be expecting wins and be upset at 90 losses.
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Yeah, just wait till 2018. We should be good then!

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Old 01-26-2012, 03:34 PM   #596
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I'm sorry, I don't see any more Tony Pena Jrs, Kyle Davies, or other complete jokes not worth a roster spot on this team. I think you just enjoy bashing on the franchise.
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Yeah, I just really love those 20 plus years of 90 loss (or more) seasons.

Get hip, dip.

I want the Royals to win more than anybody. Just need to see some results. You can only get hit in the face with a frying pan so many times before you learn to duck.
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Old 01-26-2012, 03:39 PM   #598
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No one cares about the Orioles, dude. This is a Royals thread.
False. There are actually several of us misguided souls here. If we were to pool our resources smartly we'd have a solid chance to become an annoyance.
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I like guided input of all teams exept for the Cards in his thread, unless another DUI was handed out.
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