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Old 01-26-2012, 09:42 AM  
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Jeff Chadiha Interviewed on 810 this morning -Interesting bits about Cassel and OC

Jeff Chadiha of ESPN was interviewed on 810 this morning and had some interesting bits about Cassel:

- He revealed that Haley told him that his father, Dick Haley (famous Steelers personnel man), upon watching Cassel practice told him "I don't think you can win with this guy"

- Was told by a source within the Chiefs that he trusts that Matt Cassel was still mistakenly calling out plays using Patriots terminology...in year two

- Was told that Weiss was not a Cassel fan at all (I know this isn't new, but yet another source confirming what we already know)

- Was informed by multiple sources around the league that the Chiefs OC job is not a prime destination because of the atmosphere created by Pioli, lack of confidence in the staying power of Romeo and the fact that Cassel is the QB

Very depressing interview....

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Old 01-26-2012, 06:40 PM   #196
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I think he does. The past 2 drafts shows that he does. That's why it's so hard for me to understand how he can possibly like anything he sees in Matt Cassel.
Hubris. Cassel is his genious pick and he can't see beyond that.
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Old 01-26-2012, 10:27 PM   #197
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Honestly this is the make or break year for Pioli at the QB position. I will give him the benefit of the doubt before that. Because in

Year 1: He realized we needed a QB and traded for one (Cassel) who showed the potential to be a legit QB. Plus there were no sure fire QB's in the draft.

Year 2: Realizing that some of Cassel's struggles could have been the result of crap talent around him, Pioli gives Cassel more talent around him and Weis.

Year 3: No need to address the QB situation because Cassel is coming off a Pro Bowl season.

Now Cassel has proven that he is not the solution at QB and it obvious to virtually everyone. There are studs out there for the taking. If Pioli is unwilling to address the QB position in the 1st, then his job should be tied to Cassel.

For that to happen though the fans need to make their voices heard by not going to the games. Sadly what will happen is the fans will still show up because there are many outside of the message board realm that still believe in Pioli and Cassel. They will blindly support this team regardless. This team will win enough to keep the seats filled and thusly maintain the status quo. The fan base is so conditioned to mediocrity that a 9-7 season and a playoff berth is considered a success. We came close to a winning record and playoff berth this year with all of our injuries and brutal schedule. It will be much easier next year when they come back and an easier schedule.
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Old 01-26-2012, 10:36 PM   #198
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Honestly this is the make or break year for Pioli at the QB position. I will give him the benefit of the doubt before that. Because in

Year 1: He realized we needed a QB and traded for one (Cassel) who showed the potential to be a legit QB. Plus there were no sure fire QB's in the draft.

Year 2: Realizing that some of Cassel's struggles could have been the result of crap talent around him, Pioli gives Cassel more talent around him and Weis.

Year 3: No need to address the QB situation because Cassel is coming off a Pro Bowl season.

Now Cassel has proven that he is not the solution at QB and it obvious to virtually everyone. There are studs out there for the taking. If Pioli is unwilling to address the QB position in the 1st, then his job should be tied to Cassel.

For that to happen though the fans need to make their voices heard by not going to the games. Sadly what will happen is the fans will still show up because there are many outside of the message board realm that still believe in Pioli and Cassel. They will blindly support this team regardless. This team will win enough to keep the seats filled and thusly maintain the status quo. The fan base is so conditioned to mediocrity that a 9-7 season and a playoff berth is considered a success. We came close to a winning record and playoff berth this year with all of our injuries and brutal schedule. It will be much easier next year when they come back and an easier schedule.
That's all well and good, Mr. tredadda.

However, when the need arises, I hire experts who know more than I do about their given specialty area. A lot of people do that sort of thing.

Given that expertise has a purpose, is it too much to assume that NFL talent evaluators ... especially ones who have received numerous Executive Of The Year Awards ... should possess the capability to assess a quarterback's abilities without the benefit of observing three years of bone-headed decisions and screw-ups?

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Old 01-26-2012, 10:42 PM   #199
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That's all well and good, Mr. tredadda.

However, when the need arises, I hire experts who know more than I do about their given specialty area. A lot of people do that sort of thing.

Given that expertise has a purpose, is it too much to assume that NFL talent evaluators ... especially ones who have received numerous Executive Of The Year Awards ... should possess the capability to assess a quarterback's abilities without the benefit of observing three years of bone-headed decisions and screw-ups?

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Old 01-26-2012, 10:48 PM   #200
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I think this might be a case of 1 plus 1 equals 3. It's amazing how often people will extrapolate facts in the absence of evidence ... no offense intended toward you, of course, Mr. O.city.

I haven't read anything that explicitly states that "Haley liked Cassel". What I have read is that Weis threw his hands up on Cassel, so Haley took over the job of developing Cassel. Then, when Cassel improved, Weis got the credit which irritated Haley. Haley admires and respects his father. I highly doubt that he would "like" Cassel as a player when his father called him trash on sticks.
People tried to make these black & white declarations out of Charles Robinson's tweets about Haley and Weis, where Haley must have been for Cassel and Weis was against him.

Except Robinson never said any of that. As you said, FAX, the story was that Haley and Weis disagreed on how to develop Cassel and Haley took over those duties. Robinson never said that Haley loved Cassel. Likewise, he never said that Weis didn't like Cassel, and he specifically clarified that in subsequent tweets. He pointed out that if Weis didn't like Cassel then he wouldn't have come here and/or the team wouldn't have hired him.
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Old 01-26-2012, 11:06 PM   #201
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You should call them up and ask for a job. I seriously doubt that any NFL talent evaluator has as much experience as you.
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Old 01-26-2012, 11:12 PM   #202
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- He revealed that Haley told him that his father, Dick Haley (famous Steelers personnel man), upon watching Cassel practice told him "I don't think you can win with this guy"
There is one person in the USA who disagrees with this statement, and by chance that one guy happens to be our GM.
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Old 01-26-2012, 11:23 PM   #203
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As long as the Chiefs dont bottom out like they did at the tail end of the Peterson years, Pioli will have a job for a long time. 8-10, 11 wins a season....stadium stays full=set for life.
thats the most depressing thing ive heard all month

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Old 01-27-2012, 12:21 AM   #204
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You should call them up and ask for a job. I seriously doubt that any NFL talent evaluator has as much experience as you.
I forgot that because we don't do piolis job we have no right to criticize obvious mistakes he is being paid millions to avoid.
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Old 01-27-2012, 01:14 AM   #205
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That's all well and good, Mr. tredadda.

However, when the need arises, I hire experts who know more than I do about their given specialty area. A lot of people do that sort of thing.

Given that expertise has a purpose, is it too much to assume that NFL talent evaluators ... especially ones who have received numerous Executive Of The Year Awards ... should possess the capability to assess a quarterback's abilities without the benefit of observing three years of bone-headed decisions and screw-ups?

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Exactly. He isn't getting paid millions of dollars to be allowed to sit back and wait for every spec of dust to settle before making a move. He should be seeing things before the public does, not at the same time or worse, later. Most people can evaluate talent after years of watching it under 3 or 4 circumstances. If that was his job, he is getting way over-payed.

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There is one person in the USA who disagrees with this statement, and by chance that one guy happens to be our GM.
I wish that was true. If it was the pressure in KC would be multiple times higher on Clark than it is now.

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Nobody ever said Haley liked Cassel.
Well if we are using all these stories as somebody "said something" than somebody did say this. A few months ago it was said that Weis didn't like Cassel and Haley did. Who knows if that is true or this is true or if either is, but on those grounds it was said.
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Old 01-27-2012, 02:14 AM   #206
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Well if we are using all these stories as somebody "said something" than somebody did say this. A few months ago it was said that Weis didn't like Cassel and Haley did. Who knows if that is true or this is true or if either is, but on those grounds it was said.
It was not said. The person who expounded on Haley/Weis after Haley's firing was Charles "Lil Naitch" Robinson of Yahoo. Despite it quickly becoming common belief, including in this thread, Robinson never said that Weis didn't like Cassel.

He even went out of his way to make that clear:

https://twitter.com/#!/CharlesRobinson - Dec 13

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Weis didn't think Cassel could cut it in terms of how Haley wanted him developed. So he effectively said "Fine, you do it."
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At no point did I say Weis didn't like Cassel. He did not believe the kid could cut it in terms of what Haley wanted.
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He argued with Haley and finally just threw his hands up and told Todd to develop the kid himself.
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Nowhere did I ever say Weis gave up on Cassel or said he was a bad QB.
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I was referring 2 who took reigns on the development end after the Haley/Weis fallout. Key word here is development - not belief.
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Pioli never would have brought in an OC who doubted Cassel could be great. That wasn't the issue. It was how to make that happen.
And despite all this, people STILL think Robinson said "Weis hated Cassel".

Likewise, Robinson never said a word about Haley having any kind of particular fondness for Cassel, but people still act like he did.
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Old 01-27-2012, 03:14 AM   #207
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Wonder how Weiss wanted to develop him, because that year, we very heavily relied on our running game. Cassel just didnt shit the bed. Its not like we did anything crazy with Cassel, it was basically, option 1-2, if no one open run. lol. our second option was the RB.

I would like to know how Charlie wanted to use him. lol.
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Old 01-27-2012, 03:17 AM   #208
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Wonder how Weiss wanted to develop him, because that year, we very heavily relied on our running game. Cassel just didnt shit the bed. Its not like we did anything crazy with Cassel, it was basically, option 1-2, if no one open run. lol. our second option was the RB.

I would like to know how Charlie wanted to use him. lol.
He probably wanted him to try and tell which enemy dude was the free safety.

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Old 01-27-2012, 03:54 AM   #209
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I wonder if cassel witnessed pioli murder someone or something
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Old 01-27-2012, 07:05 AM   #210
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