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Old 02-03-2012, 11:32 PM  
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Chiefs hire Daboll

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Old 02-04-2012, 02:45 AM   #196
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You all sound like damn children who don`t get their way.There nothings wrong with hiring this guy.This is is a defense led team anyway.Also just failed in mia and clev thats no reason to bitch and moan.Those teams have hardly had any offensive weapons for yrs.I think he got hired mainly because of his age.Also towards the end of last yr miamis offense did look good.Also why would you want stick up his as Al saunders?I mean really it was Dick Vermeil in kc that made him look good.It was Hue jackson who made him look good in Oak.
you are so ****ing we Todd did.
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Old 02-04-2012, 02:49 AM   #197
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Didn't Miami's 32nd ranked offense beat our 11th ranked defense this year with their own gawd awful QB? I'm just saying...
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Old 02-04-2012, 02:54 AM   #198
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you are so ****ing we Todd did.
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Old 02-04-2012, 02:56 AM   #199
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Didn't Miami's 32nd ranked offense beat our 11th ranked defense this year with their own gawd awful QB? I'm just saying...
With all due respect, not only are facts frowned upon here they are discouraged.
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:00 AM   #200
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With all due respect, not only are facts frowned upon here they are discouraged.
The negative facts outweigh the positive ones in this case.

No one with any actual ability to reason considers one game against the Chiefs as an indicator for future success.
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:00 AM   #201
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Wow. St. John Fisher College kicked their asses. 52 to 3, it looks like.

They came back strong against United States Merchant Marine Academy, though.

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Old 02-04-2012, 03:03 AM   #202
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If Daboll could read the stuff being written about him by a 29 year old dufus living with his mother and father who hadn't even kissed a girl until about 11 months ago, he would fall out of his chair. I'm not hardly running out to buy a Daboll jersey but the guy is on his way up in the NFL, not on his way down. Sometimes you have to start off with crappy teams to work your way onto a contender.
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:05 AM   #203
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The negative facts outweigh the positive ones in this case.

No one with any actual ability to reason considers one game against the Chiefs as an indicator for future success.
No one with actual ability to reason considers one game as the determining factor.
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:06 AM   #204
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Cleveland was a mess. Miami was a mess. There was far too much wrong with the players on the field for anyone to form a decisive conclusion about the man's abilities as a coordinator.

All of you people freaking out about this are the same exact retards who say you NEED a franchise QB. Derp dee derp, but OC's who are shackled with terrible QB's are bad, and ones who take jobs with great QB's are smart?

Am I the ONLY person who sees the rather stupid circular logic that kind of assessment is based around?

Now here's why I don't like it: Pioli did the safe thing AGAIN. He hired what he was familiar with. Here's another thing that pisses me off: I think this has a lot to do with Matt Cassel. We bring in another Earhardt-Perkins guy because it's the only offense Cassel knows and he apparently struggled with the minor changes in philosophy between NE, Haley, and Weis (all of whom run the same system!). Not only that, but because the system changes so little it doesn't create a learning curve that would expose Cassel's lack of actual ability in a competition with another QB.

The positive in this is that it would require the least transition because it's the same system.

The problem is that his background won't excite anyone. Still though, fans over-rate coordinators. Talent is more important. Get a better QB. As long as he understands 'run on 3rd and short" and 'pass on 3rd and long", it's up to the talent to execute. I'm sick of us blaming coordinators instead of fixing the talent issues. We did it with the defense during the DV years. We need a better QB, and until we get one we'll be cycling through OC's.

I don't like the hire, but it's not so much an indictment on Daboll's abilities, which I think are hard to discern. I don't like it because it's exactly who I expected us to hire. Safe and predictable. Blah.

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Old 02-04-2012, 03:16 AM   #205
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Now here's why I don't like it: Pioli did the safe thing AGAIN. He hired what he was familiar with. Here's another thing that pisses me off: I think this has a lot to do with Matt Cassel.
If there's any hope to be found, one might note the coincidence in timing in Pioli and Romeo coming out unified in their "QB competition" mantra just 24 hours before getting their OC signed.

Maybe even the "safe" choice was like "**** you, I'm not tying my career to THAT guy."
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I'm not hardly running out to buy a Daboll jersey but the guy is on his way up in the NFL, not on his way down. Sometimes you have to start off with crappy teams to work your way onto a contender.
Looks like he found another crappy team.

He's basically a groupie for underachieving schmucks from the Parcells/Patriots tree. I'm sure he'll find another job as a quarterbacks coach before he directs any offense worth a shit.
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:18 AM   #207
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I don't like the hire, but it's not so much an indictment on Daboll's abilities, which I think are hard to discern. I don't like it because it's exactly who I expected us to hire. Safe and predictable. Blah.
Outstanding analysis. Adding insult to injury, looks like the hire prolongs the tenure of Mark Castle.
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:19 AM   #208
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He's basically a groupie for underachieving schmucks from the Parcells/Patriots tree.
Heh. I'll bet any one of us here would like to groupie for that paycheck.
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:21 AM   #209
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If there's any hope to be found, one might note the coincidence in timing in Pioli and Romeo coming out unified in their "QB competition" mantra just 24 hours before getting their OC signed.

Maybe even the "safe" choice was like "**** you, I'm not tying my career to THAT guy."
I think the decision was made largely to ensure Cassel had an advantage in the 'competition.' Same system. It allows some continuity, but that largely benefits the QB.

The team has preached competition for Cassel all along, and it's always been hollow. I define people by actions, not words. Pioli and the coaches can talk competition all they want, but from what I've seen there's really been no effort made to bring in anyone who could compete with Cassel. They've said this before, but their actions appear to show them quite committed to Cassel.
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:23 AM   #210
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this keeps getting worse the more I dig into it.

Chad Pennington 2006
10-6 w/l record

Chad Penningtons 2007 (his only one with Daboll)
1-7 w/l record

Chad Pennington 2008 (after he left Daboll and NY and went to the 1-15 Dolphins)
11-5 W/L record

In those 3 years:

Penningtons TD:INT ratio WITHOUT Daboll:

36:23

Penningtons TD:INT ratio WITH Daboll

10:9

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Brett Favre had one of his worst passing years ever with Daboll.

2007 (the year BEFORE Daboll touched him)
13-3 win loss record
95.7 QB rating
260 yards per game
7.8 YPA
4155 yards
5.2 TD%
28:15 TD:INT

Pretty good year, fell barely short of the Superbowl.

2007 (His ONLY year with Daboll)
9-7 W/L record
81 QB rating (-14.7 points)
217 yards per game (-43 yards per game)
6.7 YPA (-1.1 YPA)
3472 yards (-683 yards)
4.2 touchdown % (-1%)
22:22 TD:INT ratio (-6/+7)

Thats ****ing garbage!

Now, lets look how he did the very next year on his next team...

2009
12-4 win loss record (just shy of the superbowl, again)
107.2 QB rating (+26.2)
262.6 yards per game (+45 YPG)
7.9 YPA (+1.3 YPA)
4202 yards passing (+730 yards)
6.2 TD% (+2%)
33:7 TD:INT ratio (+11/-15)


61:22 TD:INT ratio in the two years surrounding his time with Daboll.
22:22 with him.

25-7 WITHOUT Daboll
9-7 WITH HIM

Averaged just about 100 QB rating without him, 81 with him.

Averaged about 45 yards PER GAME LESS with Daboll.

I dont know how much further I want to dig....its looking awfully bleak so far.

**** this hire.

If Zorn walks because we hired this guy....
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