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Old 02-08-2012, 11:30 PM  
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Drafting a nose = bad idea this year.

Nose tackle prospects in the draft:

Dontari Poe, Memphis -- raw, from small school, inconsistent motor.
Alameda Ta'amu, Washington -- looks great one moment, notsogreat the next, more of a 1 gap
Josh Chapman, Alabama -- a little undersized, coming off ACL injury
Nick Jean-Baptiste, Baylor -- poor man's Phil Taylor
Henry Fangupo, BYU -- old rookie, completely raw from a goofy system, will needs a couple years

Everybody else is from a small school, or is a nobody getting attention for their size alone and is raw as red meat.

Now, check this out:

Nose tackle prospects in free agency:

Paul Soliai, Dolphins -- massive 2-gap hole-clogger, no longer fits Dolphins defense
Sione Pouha, Jets -- experienced 2-gapper, talented but past prime, could put in a solid season
Sammy Lee Hill, Lions -- huge, could be a decent value acquisition, not sure how he'd fit in a 2-gap
Antonio Garay, Chargers -- more of a 1-gapper
Kelly Gregg, Chiefs -- just sayin'
Shaun Rogers, Saints -- good one-year rental for the position
Aubrayu Franklin, Saints -- more of a 1-gapper
Casey Hampton, Steelers -- outside chance he lands on the market
Amon Gordon, Chiefs -- knows our system, Crennel likes him
Bryant McKinnie, Ravens -- could fill the role
Howard Green, Packers -- more of a 1-gapper but he did crack Cassel's ribs in the preseason, soooo...

My conclusion is that the draft is very shallow at the nose position.

It's not much better in free agency, but at least you've got guys that can play there.
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Old 02-17-2012, 04:14 PM   #46
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Likely going to be too expensive for this team after resigning Bowe and Carr with TJax getting a sizeable bonus from incentives for 2012.
I really don't understand this.


We have more cap than any team in the NFL. $63 million. The salary cap is over $120 million.


We could actually double all the FA's the Eagles signed last year and still have plenty of room.


Plenty of (cap) room to improve

Originally Published: February 13, 2012

The numbers are in.

One of the new parts of the NFL collective bargaining agreement is the ability of teams to roll over remaining cap room into the next season. The 2011 season finished with $320 million of remaining cap room. Thirty teams carried over $301.78 million of unused cap money to give the 32 teams approximately $711 million of combined room as they start to prepare for the 2012 season.

The 2011 salary cap was $120.375 million, and the 2012 ceiling is expected to be close. The exact number is calculated based on revenues and should be available in the next week or two.

The Houston Texans and San Diego Chargers didn't have enough remaining room to push money over into 2012, so Houston has $3.3 million of cap space and San Diego has $9.2 million.

The Jacksonville Jaguars didn't spend $31 million of cap room in 2011, so they now have $45 million of room. The Kansas City Chiefs have $62.995 million after budgeting $24.014 million from the 2011 season. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers, thanks to $23.519 million of carryover cap money, have the second-most cap space with $60.496 million. The Cincinnati Bengals moved over $15 million from last year and have $60 million to spend. Dan Snyder of the Washington Redskins has plenty of room to get quarterback and receiver help, thanks to $47.56 million of cap space. The 2011 playoff teams in good shape are the Denver Broncos ($50.735 million of cap room), San Francisco 49ers ($39.33 million), Atlanta Falcons ($30.6 million) and New England Patriots ($20 million). To get to the $50 million mark, the Broncos carried over $26 million of unused cap.

Four teams still have to get under the salary cap by March 13. They are the Pittsburgh Steelers, who have redone three contracts to be $11.7 million over, the Oakland Raiders ($11 million over), the Carolina Panthers ($9.6 million over) and the New York Giants ($7.3 million over).

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Old 02-17-2012, 04:27 PM   #47
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I think we actually have a pretty good chance to sign Soliai.


Shefter said it's about a 50 50 chance that Mike Wallace and Adrian Foster hit free agency.
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Old 02-17-2012, 05:54 PM   #48
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I really don't understand this.
That number is an illusion.

We are $30M or so under the true cap. We brought over $20M from last season that we can use, but from my understanding, that money is a one year deal. So if we add a bunch of people to contracts and exceed the true cap we'll have the cut them the next year.

I'd say at best we are looking at re-signing both of our FA's and maybe adding 1 more. And, imo, it feels like they are going to go after a QB. There are a few top ranked NT's that the Chiefs will be able to go after in the draft.
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Old 02-17-2012, 06:25 PM   #49
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That number is an illusion.

We are $30M or so under the true cap. We brought over $20M from last season that we can use, but from my understanding, that money is a one year deal. So if we add a bunch of people to contracts and exceed the true cap we'll have the cut them the next year.

I'd say at best we are looking at re-signing both of our FA's and maybe adding 1 more. And, imo, it feels like they are going to go after a QB. There are a few top ranked NT's that the Chiefs will be able to go after in the draft.
I'd say that true cap # is about $13-15 million low since we haven't re-signed some of our FA guys.
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I'd say that true cap # is about $13-15 million low since we haven't re-signed some of our FA guys.
Not sure what you are trying to say. The true cap doesn't revolve around the Chiefs.
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Old 02-17-2012, 06:38 PM   #51
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That number is an illusion.

We are $30M or so under the true cap. We brought over $20M from last season that we can use, but from my understanding, that money is a one year deal. So if we add a bunch of people to contracts and exceed the true cap we'll have the cut them the next year.

I'd say at best we are looking at re-signing both of our FA's and maybe adding 1 more. And, imo, it feels like they are going to go after a QB. There are a few top ranked NT's that the Chiefs will be able to go after in the draft.
Use the extra 20 as guaranteed year 1 salaries. They get their money up front and not as big of a cap hit in the future, so you don't have to cut anyone.
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Use the extra 20 as guaranteed year 1 salaries. They get their money up front and not as big of a cap hit in the future, so you don't have to cut anyone.
Thats all well and good but Soliai is still going to get a sizeable contract so you are probably only talking about saving $4M or so a year IF you gave him every penny of that $20M in year 1.

Vince Wilfork got 5/40M. 8M average.

Pay him half in year one you are left with 4/20. 5M average.

You are only saving a whopping 3M a year.

When you start to break shit down its pretty sad what that number actually boils down to.

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Old 02-17-2012, 09:18 PM   #53
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That number is an illusion.

We are $30M or so under the true cap. We brought over $20M from last season that we can use, but from my understanding, that money is a one year deal. So if we add a bunch of people to contracts and exceed the true cap we'll have the cut them the next year.

I'd say at best we are looking at re-signing both of our FA's and maybe adding 1 more. And, imo, it feels like they are going to go after a QB. There are a few top ranked NT's that the Chiefs will be able to go after in the draft.

No not really. The new CBA lets teams roll over money each year. Experts have said the Chiefs could resign their FA's, sign Peyton to a front loaded contract giving him the money he was use to making and still have plenty of money to sign other key FA's.

Not sure if you follow the Eagles or not, but they went crazy in FA last year with about $20 million of cap space, the Chiefs have around $60 million.

Here is the clause from the CBA that allows teams to carry over salary-cap dollars from one league year to the next:


"A Club may 'carry over' Room from one League Year to the following League Year by submitting notice in writing signed by the owner to the NFL no later than fourteen (14) days prior to the start of the new League Year indicating the maximum amount of Room that the Club wishes to carry over. The NFL shall promptly provide a copy of any such notice to the NFLPA. The amount of Room carried over will be adjusted downward based on the final Room available after the year-end reconciliation."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu..._cap_from_2011



"If a team rolls over 20 million in 2012, and doesn't spend any of it, they can roll that 20 million into 2013 as well.


2012 $120M Cap

Let's say a team rolled over $30M from 2011, and had $90M committed to 2012 already. The team would have $60M in available Cap and have a "soft cap" or "adjusted cap" of $150M. This seems like a nice advantage for a Tampa Bay over the current cap situation in Pittsburgh.

2013 Assume $130M Cap (no one knows yet as it is calculated each year based on revenues).

89% of $130M is $115.7M. It would be wise for this "big cap room" team to spend $115.7M in 2013, so assuming the team has only $90M committed to 2012 and 2013- then they should look to shell out an additional $25.7M in 2012 and 2013.

The CBA ensures that all teams spend the riches of the NFL on the players.

Now, if they are under that 89% floor in 2013, they actually are not in violation until 2016! The team has to add together the 89% floor from the 2013-2016 years Announced Cap and the 4 year total of those combined Announced Cap has to be measured against what the team actually spent in that four year period. If the team was short (think Cincy), the team has to pay out in 2016 to "match up"."
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No not really. The new CBA lets teams roll over money each year. Experts have said the Chiefs could resign their FA's, sign Peyton to a front loaded contract giving him the money he was use to making and still have plenty of money to sign other key FA's.

Not sure if you follow the Eagles or not, but they went crazy in FA last year with about $20 million of cap space, the Chiefs have around $60 million.

Here is the clause from the CBA that allows teams to carry over salary-cap dollars from one league year to the next:


"A Club may 'carry over' Room from one League Year to the following League Year by submitting notice in writing signed by the owner to the NFL no later than fourteen (14) days prior to the start of the new League Year indicating the maximum amount of Room that the Club wishes to carry over. The NFL shall promptly provide a copy of any such notice to the NFLPA. The amount of Room carried over will be adjusted downward based on the final Room available after the year-end reconciliation."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu..._cap_from_2011



"If a team rolls over 20 million in 2012, and doesn't spend any of it, they can roll that 20 million into 2013 as well.


2012 $120M Cap

Let's say a team rolled over $30M from 2011, and had $90M committed to 2012 already. The team would have $60M in available Cap and have a "soft cap" or "adjusted cap" of $150M. This seems like a nice advantage for a Tampa Bay over the current cap situation in Pittsburgh.

2013 Assume $130M Cap

89% of $130M is $115.7M. It would be wise for this "big cap room" team to spend $115.7M in 2013, so assuming the team has only $90M committed to 2012 and 2013- then they should look to shell out an additional $25.7M in 2012 and 2013.

The CBA ensures that all teams spend the riches of the NFL on the players.

Now, if they are under that 89% floor in 2013, they actually are not in violation until 2016! The team has to add together the 89% floor from the 2013-2016 years Announced Cap and the 4 year total of those combined Announced Cap has to be measured against what the team actually spent in that four year period. If the team was short (think Cincy), the team has to pay out in 2016 to "match up"."
You'll have to be within something like 3M of the actual cap to roll over anything with the salary floor kicking in next season.
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If we resigned both of our FA.

Bowe is reportedly looking for 9M/Y.

Carr to a deal equal to Flowers. 8M/Y.

13M under the true cap.

Now whats Peyton going to get? 3/30?

Give him all $20 of that extra we brought over and he'll be making 5M/Y.

8M under the true cap.

Thats not going to leave us any room to sign another top FA, our lesser known FA's like Belcher, Gordon, etc, and our draft picks.

We'll be able to grab a couple people like BJGE.
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Now there are other options to look at like dramatically reducing his 2nd year and backloading it into the final year and cutting his ass before having to pay up.

But thats why I'm not a GM and dont give a shit about those complicated details.
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This cap business gives me a headache so I try to ignore it. Think the Chief's will get a deal done with Bowe, make a priority to sign Soliai and upgrade/fix the OL in the draft. Carr worries me.
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Thats all well and good but Soliai is still going to get a sizeable contract so you are probably only talking about saving $4M or so a year IF you gave him every penny of that $20M in year 1.

Vince Wilfork got 5/40M. 8M average.

Pay him half in year one you are left with 4/20. 5M average.

You are only saving a whopping 3M a year.

When you start to break shit down its pretty sad what that number actually boils down to.
You have no idea how the salary cap works and how contracts are renegotiated.
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