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Old 01-31-2012, 01:52 PM  
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Old 02-29-2012, 12:48 PM   #706
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I dunno. KU was in "discussions" to join the BIG 10 as far back as 93. Sometimes things you hear as discussions are just that. I can "discuss" going to the moon, doesn't mean its going to happen.

Fact remains that big time collegiate powers like UT and OU don't go play in far away conferences. People come to them. They've both been asked to join the S.E.C. In the past as well. I don't see why you guys don't get this.

Maybe its just your loathing for KU and the desire to see them waving in the wind that is getting in the way of seeing how these things really happen.
First, I'll mention that if/when the Big 12 collapses, I'd expect KU to land in either the B1G or the ACC. So it's not "desire to see them waving" ...

If there's anyone who has tunnel vision on this, it's you.

Second, if UT and OU leave the Big 12-2-2+2, it will be to the PAC, and they likely will take a few schools with them. They would end up in a division that is much more regional than the PAC as a whole. Arizona, Arizona St., Colorado, UT, OU, oSu, Tech, Kansas all are possibilities.

Third, the ultimate thing is... the Big 12-2-2+2 is a house built on sinking sand. It might stand for 2 months, 2 years or 2 decades. But it's built on a central support beam - Texas - that is incredibly shaky and has proven it places no level of care in ensuring this conference survives.

Attempts to shore up the foundation of the league - granting of TV rights to the league long-term, etc. - were not received.

So Missouri left early because it had an opportunity from the most stable, lucrative conference rather than risk being stuck in the situation it looked like Mizzou, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and Baylor were going to face during the first round of realignment.
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Old 02-29-2012, 12:52 PM   #707
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It wouldn't

Tier-3

1 University of North Carolina $11,171,458.00
2 University of Alabama $8,444,674.00
3 University of Kentucky $7,743,327.00
4 University of Florida $7,450,000.00
5 University of Kansas $7,276,988.00
6 Louisiana State University $7,012,730.00
7 Oklahoma State University $6,395,000.00
8 University of Tennessee $6,293,621.00
9 Oregon State University $6,267,671.00
10 University of Georgia $6,231,392.00
11 University of Wisconsin $5,547,740.00
12 Auburn University


$4,637,605.00
13 University of Nebraska $4,393,529.00
14 University of Missouri $4,081,549.00
15 Virginia Tech $3,769,583.00
16 Kansas State University $3,263,941.00
17 Iowa State University $2,608,896.00
18 North Carolina State University $2,470,750.00
19 Penn State University $2,362,500.00
20 Ohio State University $2,329,462.00
21 University of South Carolina $1,829,000.00
22 University of Connecticut $1,749,796.00
23 University of Louisville $1,675,000.00
24 University of Mississippi $1,658,650.00
25 University of Iowa $1,500,000.00
26 Georgia Tech $1,254,876.00
27 University of Washington $1,248,599.00
28 University of Illinois


$1,175,065.00
29 University of Cincinnati $1,000,000.00
30 University of Arkansas $950,000.00
31 Clemson University $920,000.00
32 Michigan State University $660,025.00
33 University of South Florida $588,298.00
34 Washington State University $562,098.00
35 West Virginia University $404,284.00
36 Florida State University $349,869.00
37 University of Texas $338,171.00
38 University of Minnesota $324,000.00
39 University of Oklahoma $317,361.00
40 University of Colorado $155,528.00
41 University of Oregon $108,452.00
You mean all this time Wickedson has been spouting off about Tier 3 dollars, and the difference between KU and MU is only 3 milllion?

Wickedson made the Tier 3 sound like the Holy Grail of tv money.
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Old 02-29-2012, 12:56 PM   #708
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You mean all this time Wickedson has been spouting off about Tier 3 dollars, and the difference between KU and MU is only 3 milllion?

Wickedson made the Tier 3 sound like the Holy Grail of tv money.
I don't know what that list is. KU has around a $90 million dollar 3rd tier deal in place with IMG. I'm not sure what MU has. Do you know what it is?
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I honestly don't know where you would end up. Hopefully for you guys and KSU and ISU the Big12 stays intact.
When the Big 12 breaks up I'm PM you. I wouldn't want you to miss it.

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Who's punishing me? The Big 12 is stronger now that the dregs of the league have left.

Final Fours and BCS victories showed up on our doorstep.

What can you do?
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Old 02-29-2012, 01:03 PM   #711
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Who's punishing me? The Big 12 is stronger now that the dregs of the league have left.

Final Fours and BCS victories showed up on our doorstep.

What can you do?
But I thought regular season titles meant everything, and the tourney was nothing but a crap shoot? You beaker fans sure are confusing....
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Old 02-29-2012, 01:04 PM   #712
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Who's punishing me? The Big 12 is stronger now that the dregs of the league have left.

Final Fours and BCS victories showed up on our doorstep.

What can you do?
That's victorY, douche, and you rode the biggest pussy schedule in the history of football to get there.

Never ceases to amaze me how you windowlickers continue to trumpet that shit to people who know the truth.
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When the Big 12 breaks up I'm PM you. I wouldn't want you to miss it.

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I wasn't trying to be a smartass. geez. I like the Big12 and part of me wishes MU would have stayed.
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I don't know what that list is. KU has around a $90 million dollar 3rd tier deal in place with IMG. I'm not sure what MU has. Do you know what it is?
KU is locked into a 12-year-deal for $86 million with IMG, which beaks out to about $7.2 million a year. I realize dropping the big total altogether makes it sound better (Kevin Kietzmann's specialty). It's a tremendous third-tier rights package - right now. By the end of the contract, a decade from now, it won't be as tremendous

Missouri's deal brings in a shade over $4 million currently, though I expect it will be set up a little differently moving forward.

The big payout is the eventual creation of the SEC network, which will lock up third-tier rights as well and significantly increase Mizzou's number for that margin.
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KU is locked into a 12-year-deal for $86 million with IMG, which beaks out to about $7.2 million a year. I realize dropping the big total altogether makes it sound better (Kevin Kietzmann's specialty). It's a tremendous third-tier rights package - right now. By the end of the contract, a decade from now, it won't be as tremendous

Missouri's deal brings in a shade over $4 million currently, though I expect it will be set up a little differently moving forward.

The big payout is the eventual creation of the SEC network, which will lock up third-tier rights as well and significantly increase Mizzou's number for that margin.
Cool. Sounds like MU is doing alright in the finance department. Everyone seems happy.
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That's victorY, douche, and you rode the biggest pussy schedule in the history of football to get there.

Never ceases to amaze me how you windowlickers continue to trumpet that shit to people who know the truth.
I wasn't talking about KU dimwit.
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But I thought regular season titles meant everything, and the tourney was nothing but a crap shoot? You beaker fans sure are confusing....
On a local level I love having KU win 8STR8 titles. But I'm no fool. I know that the national perception is that the tourney decides history, not regular season Championships.

IMO the tourney is no crapshoot. KU has had many blunders in the tourney and it's not a good thing for the school.

However when you simply are there every single season in such a high ranking it's very difficult to no come up short from time to time.
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On a local level I love having KU win 8STR8 titles. But I'm no fool. I know that the national perception is that the tourney decides history, not regular season Championships.

IMO the tourney is no crapshoot. KU has had many blunders in the tourney and it's not a good thing for the school.

However when you simply are there every single season in such a high ranking it's very difficult to no come up short from time to time.
One could argue that during Self's tenure that KU has come up short more than just "time to time."

I only mentioned it because KU fans seem to use both arguments whenever it suits them, and I find that humorous.
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Sure you weren't. It's not like you haven't posted that 1,000 times or anything, you ****ing retard.
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