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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-08-2012, 01:58 PM   #106
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Old 03-08-2012, 02:00 PM   #107
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Old 03-08-2012, 02:03 PM   #108
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I'm not sure I get your point. People unfairly stereotype black people. That doesn't make it ok to say it's "typical" of a white suburban resident to do something like this.
You can't say, "Well, they unfairly stereotyped this kid. That's typical of those kind of people." You don't see the hypocrisy in that? One guy shot the kid, no one else.
If someone started a thread about some black teenagers beating up some white guy, and someone posted, "typical" that would be considered a prejudiced statement. I'm just wondering why saying, "typical" here isn't.
I know what you are saying but it is not the one guys stereotype. It is a nations stereotype of black people that made him even believe it. what ever stereotypes there are about any race, if you have close friends of that race then you know they are BS. Oh except the one where all black men have big Johnsons, I would like to keep that one out there thats beneficial.....LOL. Race needs to be talk about on a national level because people need to know what is BS and what id not.
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Old 03-08-2012, 02:03 PM   #109
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Jesus Christ.

Wickedson could not be more 'Lawrence' if he tried.

What a naive jackass.
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Old 03-08-2012, 02:04 PM   #110
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Jesus Christ.

Wickedson could not be more 'Lawrence' if he tried.

What a naive jackass.
No no no. He doesn't live here, I doubt he's ever been here.
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Old 03-08-2012, 02:10 PM   #111
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Here's a more complete story from the Orlando Sentinel, which the cherry-picked Yahoo piece was obviously drawn from. The Yahoo story omitted many key details. But I'm sure that wasn't intentional or anything.....

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,1380794.story

Father: Arrest Sanford crime watch volunteer who killed my son

The father of a 17-year-old who was shot to death in Sanford by a crime watch volunteer held a news conference in Orlando Thursday, demanding that the shooter be arrested and charged with murder.

Trayvon Martin, a high school junior from Miami who is black, was killed Feb. 26, as he walked back from a 7-Eleven with Skittles that he'd bought for a 13-year-old friend. He was unarmed.

Sanford police have interviewed George Zimmerman, the 25-year-old shooter who is white, several times and had him re-enact what happened, Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee Jr. said Thursday.

Both sides agree that Martin and Zimmerman scuffled before the shooting.

Police are still investigating, trying to determine whether Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter, according to department records. He told them he acted in self defense, and there's some evidence to corroborate that, the police chief said.

Police Thursday released an incident report that gave new clues that support Zimmerman.

When police arrived and found the body, they also found Zimmerman bleeding from the nose and back of his head, according to the report. Also, the back of his shirt was wet and had grass clippings on it, as if he'd been on his back on the ground.

And an officer overheard Zimmerman complain, " 'I was yelling for someone to help me but no one would help me,' " according to the report.

One of the things on which police are focusing is the background noise in a 911 call, the chief said.

"You can hear the struggle and the gunshot," he said.

Police want to enhance the background noise to better hear what went on, he said.

Detectives should complete their investigation next week at the latest, the chief said, and will let the state attorney's office decide whether to file criminal charges.

At the family's news conference in Orlando, lawyers for Martin's family accused Zimmerman of racial profiling.

One of the family's attorneys, Benjamin Crump of Tallahassee, called Zimmerman a "loose cannon" and accused him of shooting Martin in "cold blood".

Zimmerman had spotted Martin in his gated community about 7:15 p.m. and called Sanford police on a non-emergency number, saying he'd just seen a suspicious person, both sides agreed.

That call then ended and police dispatched an officer. Before he arrived, however, the department got several other 911 calls, people complaining about two men fighting and a gunshot.

At the news conference, Crump and Orlando attorney Natalie Jackson said there was nothing suspicious about the 17-year-old. There was no reason for Zimmerman to follow him.

Martin was an invited guest, visiting his father's fiancée and her family for a few days, they said. He had visited there before, and it was a community with black and minority residents.

After Zimmerman called police, Crump and Jackson said, he should have backed off. He should not have confronted the 17-year-old and had no business patrolling his neighborhood, like a cop, with a gun, they said.

The teen's father, Tracy Martin of Miami, called his son's death a "tragic, senseless killing. … We feel justice hasn't been served."
That still doesnt tell the story, point is he should have never appraoched the kid becasue he had no right. The police are hired and trained to handle situations like this. Now when the man shot him and realize he made a mistake you dont think he went into damage control and busted his own nose and rolled around in the grass or maybe he had the gun drawn and the kid panic and went into fight mold thinking this guy was a murderer? If a guy approaches me with a gun and I dont know he is a cop it will be a fight to the death.
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Old 03-08-2012, 02:11 PM   #112
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That still doesnt tell the story, point is he should have never appraoched the kid becasue he had no right. The police are hired and trained to handle situations like this. Now when the man shot him and realize he made a mistake you dont think he went into damage control and bust his own nose and rolled around in the grass or maybe he had the gun drawn and the kid panic and went into fight mold thinking this guy was a murderer? If a guy approaches me with a gun and I dont know he is a cop it will be a fight to the death.
Yeah, I agree. Wannabe cops need to stand down, it isn't their job to accost people.
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Old 03-08-2012, 02:14 PM   #113
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That still doesnt tell the story, point is he should have never appraoched the kid becasue he had no right. The police are hired and trained to handle situations like this. Now when the man shot him and realize he made a mistake you dont think he went into damage control and busted his own nose and rolled around in the grass or maybe he had the gun drawn and the kid panic and went into fight mold thinking this guy was a murderer? If a guy approaches me with a gun and I dont know he is a cop it will be a fight to the death.
That was my first thought. He probably just walked up to him shot him in the chest, started fisting himself in the nose while doing summersaults on the lawn.
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Old 03-08-2012, 02:17 PM   #114
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That was my first thought. He probably just walked up to him shot him in the chest, started fisting himself in the nose while doing summersaults on the lawn.
Yep, I wouldn't be suprised, because you can't honestly expect me to believe a 13 year old tossed him around like that.
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Old 03-08-2012, 02:18 PM   #115
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I know what you are saying but it is not the one guys stereotype. It is a nations stereotype of black people that made him even believe it. what ever stereotypes there are about any race, if you have close friends of that race then you know they are BS. Oh except the one where all black men have big Johnsons, I would like to keep that one out there thats beneficial.....LOL. Race needs to be talk about on a national level because people need to know what is BS and what id not.
Yes stereotypes are wrong. That's why it should also be wrong to say this is typical.
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Old 03-08-2012, 02:19 PM   #116
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Yes stereotypes are wrong. That's why it should also be wrong to say this is typical.
I agree
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That still doesnt tell the story, point is he should have never appraoched the kid becasue he had no right. The police are hired and trained to handle situations like this. Now when the man shot him and realize he made a mistake you dont think he went into damage control and busted his own nose and rolled around in the grass or maybe he had the gun drawn and the kid panic and went into fight mold thinking this guy was a murderer? If a guy approaches me with a gun and I dont know he is a cop it will be a fight to the death.
Or maybe zombie Hitler appeared and beat up the white dude and shot the boy, then brain washed the white dude to frame him, cause even though Hitler hates blacks, that's what they would expect, so he had to mix it up.
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Yep, I wouldn't be suprised, because you can't honestly expect me to believe a 13 year old tossed him around like that.
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I learned enough in ccw class to know that if you are carrying legally, you never confront someone, you are held to a higher standard since you know you have a weapon on you. This guy ****ed up and should do time, regardless of what happened after the initial confrontation. Call the police and let them do their job, hell, follow the kid in your car if you're that sure he's up to no good. How is it self defense when you were the initiator of the confrontation?
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That still doesnt tell the story, point is he should have never appraoched the kid becasue he had no right. The police are hired and trained to handle situations like this. Now when the man shot him and realize he made a mistake you dont think he went into damage control and busted his own nose and rolled around in the grass or maybe he had the gun drawn and the kid panic and went into fight mold thinking this guy was a murderer? If a guy approaches me with a gun and I dont know he is a cop it will be a fight to the death.
He had no right to confront a stranger walking in their gated community? I disagree. Was he an over zealous dumbass? Yes he was.

He was fighting himself when other people called 911 to complain about 2 men fighting?

Once again, reading comprehension is your friend.

He sounds to be guilty of manslaughter at the worst.
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