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Old 03-08-2012, 12:50 PM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-08-2012, 04:19 PM   #181
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No, he went out with a gun in his pocket (or waist, or holster) for a confrontation. You know this because otherwise the incident would not have happened.

This guy was the catalyst for an altercation that ended in someone's death. Am I wrong?
So the kid decides to fight rather than cooperate and he bears zero responsibility in this? Really?

Look, I think the guy ****ed up. He is a 25 year old dumbass who got into a situation that spun out of control. I am sure he figured he stops the kid and the kid hangs until the cops show up he is a hero yada yada. Didnt end that way did it. Does that make him a horrible person? You never got into a situation that spun out of control at 25 years old?

Fact is you admitted he wasn't likely looking to shoot the kid and he got in over his head. This will cost him in the end regardless of prosecution or not.
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Old 03-08-2012, 04:20 PM   #182
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This is exactly what I'm talking about. WhiteWhale has already decided that the guy was "going around pointing guns at other people they're suspicious of." The quoted article doesn't actually say what happened, and yet WhiteWhale is assuming the guy just pulled his gun, ran up and shot the kid. Now if the guy goes to court, he not only has to prove that didn't happen, but also that the kid posed an imminent threat to him.

More people think like this and Wickedson, that all guns are bad and should all be outlawed and are not very forgiving to people who choose to lawfully carry weapons.

I'm not defending him at all, from what I gather, he was the one who initiated the confrontation, which you never ever ever do. That is where he went wrong.
I'm a law abiding citizen who is licensed to carry, but I realize that people who have a racial bias toward others should not be allowed to carry. These are always the people who shoot someone of another race and think they should lawfully be able to do it. When you have a gun on your persons you think you are invinsible and try to become a superhero instead of using it only as self-defense. If I have my gun on me i act the same as I do without it, I'm gonna let the police handle it unless there is someone shooting people and i will then act accordingly. I will never approach anyone that might be confrontational, shoot them and act like i was the one in the right. I think we should have the right to have guns, but should pay dearly in situations like this. I'm willing and ready to pay for any decision I make especially if was taking someones life. This guy is still wrong for every getting envovled like he did.....LET THE POLICE DO THEIR JOB.
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Old 03-08-2012, 04:20 PM   #183
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what ever stereotypes there are about any race, if you have close friends of that race then you know they are BS.
Not really. Ive had many black friends and they all liked fried chicken. Every one of them.
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Old 03-08-2012, 04:22 PM   #184
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Old 03-08-2012, 04:25 PM   #185
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The guy was a member of the neighborhood watch in a gated community. Perhaps asking a stranger why they're there is what the neighborhood watch guys are supposed to do?

Look, I realize there are a certain segment of you people who assume anybody who owns or carries a gun is a psychotic killer in waiting. I live in a city, I'm surrounded by the Assimilated every day. But in places where conceal carry is legal, people do leave their homes and walk around with loaded guns for personal protection, and for no other reason. The idea that they all dream of the day they'll have cause to pop people is assinine.
You can certainly ask somebody what they're doing there, but suppose they don't feel like talking to you? What do you do then? You going to put your hands on him?

And don't give me any shit about "you people". I guarantee you I own more guns than you do and carry them around with me often.
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Old 03-08-2012, 04:26 PM   #186
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Sorry if I'm not responding in this thread. I've moved on to the second high profile senseless murder using a gun in this country.
The media sensationalizes gun crime. That's nothing new. Take your political bullshit to the DC.
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Old 03-08-2012, 04:27 PM   #187
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You can certainly ask somebody what they're doing there, but suppose they don't feel like talking to you? What do you do then? You going to put your hands on him?

And don't give me any shit about "you people". I guarantee you I own more guns than you do and carry them around with me often.
Who put hands on who first? Since you apparently know what happened.
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Old 03-08-2012, 04:27 PM   #188
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If he made any effort to physically restrain the kid, the kid had every right to whip his ass.
Hadn't thought of that. OK, Likely scenario #3) White guy, weapon concealed, tells black kid the cops are coming and he needs to stay and wait for them. Black kid says no way, I'm going home. White cop-wannabe tries to restrain him and all hell breaks loose.

Yeah, I'd put him in jail for that one too, though I am not sure for what.
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Old 03-08-2012, 04:28 PM   #189
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You can certainly ask somebody what they're doing there, but suppose they don't feel like talking to you? What do you do then? You going to put your hands on him?

And don't give me any shit about "you people". I guarantee you I own more guns than you do and carry them around with me often.
Good point.

In a rational world, somebody who is visiting a patrolled neighborhood should be more than willing to tell the neighborhood watch guy what he's doing, who he's with, etc. That just makes sense.

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Old 03-08-2012, 04:28 PM   #191
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Who put hands on who first? Since you apparently know what happened.
Obviously, there's only going to be one version of this story. Since, you know, the wannabe cop decided to dispense justice on his own.
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Old 03-08-2012, 04:29 PM   #192
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Hadn't thought of that. OK, Likely scenario #3) White guy, weapon concealed, tells black kid the cops are coming and he needs to stay and wait for them. Black kid says no way, I'm going home. White cop-wannabe tries to restrain him and all hell breaks loose.

Yeah, I'd put him in jail for that one too, though I am not sure for what.
So you admit you are just reacting emotionally rather than reasonably when forming your opinion on this issue?
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So the kid decides to fight rather than cooperate and he bears zero responsibility in this? Really?

Look, I think the guy ****ed up. He is a 25 year old dumbass who got into a situation that spun out of control. I am sure he figured he stops the kid and the kid hangs until the cops show up he is a hero yada yada. Didnt end that way did it. Does that make him a horrible person? You never got into a situation that spun out of control at 25 years old?

Fact is you admitted he wasn't likely looking to shoot the kid and he got in over his head. This will cost him in the end regardless of prosecution or not.
Cooperate how? This guy was neighborhood watch. As far as I know he's not police or security. He has neither the right, nor the power, to detain someone. Doing so is actually crime. If this man attempted to restrain him either at the barrel of a gun, or by physical restraint, he was acting outside of the law.

Basically unless the kid dragged him out of the car to beat the shit out of him... yeah... he sounds like a victim.

Also, I've never said he was a horrible person. I said he was stupid. Stupidity is not an excuse for killing someone with a firearm.
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By the way, I'm just shooting from the hip on what is likely. If I'm on a jury with a judge solemnly instructing me on what reasonable doubt means, we've got those 3 possibilities above and the guy on trial is clinging to story #2 (the one that is hard to believe, but would probably get him off), and absolutely nothing telling us his story is false, I'm not sure what I'd do.
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Obviously, there's only going to be one version of this story. Since, you know, the wannabe cop decided to dispense justice on his own.
And if his version of the story is the kid assaulted him when he tried to detain him until the cops showed, then he is obviously a liar and a bigot.
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