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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

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Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-08-2012, 03:33 PM   #196
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So you admit you are just reacting emotionally rather than reasonably when forming your opinion on this issue?
What right does he have to restrain or tackle him. He's not an F'ing cop, and the black kid would obviously react by fighting back.

If that is hypothetically the situation, and it leads to a death, the white guy should be blamed for his illegal act leading to the death. It may not be murder, but I'm sure there's some kind of serious crime that fits, since its an unjustified shooting.
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:34 PM   #197
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And if his version of the story is the kid assaulted him when he tried to detain him until the cops showed, then he is obviously a liar and a bigot.
That's why I said I was looking to see how consistent his story will be.
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:35 PM   #198
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Cooperate how? This guy was neighborhood watch. As far as I know he's not police or security. He has neither the right, nor the power, to detain someone. Doing so is actually crime. If this man attempted to restrain him either at the barrel of a gun, or by physical restraint, he was acting outside of the law.

Basically unless the kid dragged him out of the car to beat the shit out of him... yeah... he sounds like a victim.

Also, I've never said he was a horrible person. I said he was stupid. Stupidity is not an excuse for killing someone with a firearm.
Where do you come up with this shit? A gated community is private property. He didnt stop him walking down the road of the town.

This is really no different than a security guard with a gun stopping the kid. Security guards are not cops either.
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:35 PM   #199
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You can certainly ask somebody what they're doing there, but suppose they don't feel like talking to you? What do you do then? You going to put your hands on him?

And don't give me any shit about "you people". I guarantee you I own more guns than you do and carry them around with me often.
Again, we don't know the details of the altercation. Maybe the watch guy was a complete prick and started everything. Or maybe the kid was a noxious punk who got in his face and shoved him to the ground first. Or maybe there was a little of both. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO GO ON AT THIS POINT.

And as for the "you people" bit, I'm sorry, but every time one of these threads pop up your posts make you sound every bit the anti-gun whiny bleeding heart, and not a responsible gun owner. That's really not my fault.
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:36 PM   #200
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And if his version of the story is the kid assaulted him when he tried to detain him until the cops showed, then he is obviously a liar and a bigot.
You don't get to detain private citizens unless you are an officer of the law. This man wasn't that. If some tinfoil badge with a pith helmet tells me to stand around and wait for the cops, I'm going to tell him to shove it up his ass, and if he puts his hands on me, there's going to be a fight.
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:37 PM   #201
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Where do you come up with this shit? A gated community is private property. He didnt stop him walking down the road of the town.

This is really no different than a security guard with a gun stopping the kid. Security guards are not cops either.
He's just a resident, and the black kid lives there. He doesn't have a uniform on or any color of authority. He's just some random hothead white dude, in this hypothetical, who just, from out of the blue for no reason whatsoever while the kid is walking home from the store, tells him he has to wait for the cops for "looking suspicious", and attempts to restrain him.

He can't do that.
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:37 PM   #202
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Again, we don't know the details of the altercation. Maybe the watch guy was a complete prick and started everything. Or maybe the kid was a noxious punk who got in his face and shoved him to the ground first. Or maybe there was a little of both. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO GO ON AT THIS POINT.

And as for the "you people" bit, I'm sorry, but every time one of these threads pop up your posts make you sound every bit the anti-gun whiny bleeding heart, and not a responsible gun owner. That's really not my fault.
The only way I sound like an anti gun person is if the person reading what I say is mentally retarded. I stand for gun rights at every turn.
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:38 PM   #203
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You don't get to detain private citizens unless you are an officer of the law.
That can vary from place to place. I've legally detained someone before and I have never been an officer of the law.
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:39 PM   #204
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I'd say the Cassel Doctrine is shitting your pants in pressure situations.
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The guy has absolutely no right whatsoever to try to restrain or even touch the kid. Hope the jury puts the bastard away of a long time.
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The only way I sound like an anti gun person is if the person reading what I say is mentally retarded. I stand for gun rights at every turn.
No, you're jumping to the same conclusions as the rest of the bleeding heart idiots on here. If you don't want to be lumped in with the Wickedsons of the world, don't hop in bed with them.
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That can vary from place to place. I've legally detained someone before and I have never been an officer of the law.
Well, you wouldn't detain me.
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:40 PM   #208
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No, you're jumping to the same conclusions as the rest of the bleeding heart idiots on here. If you don't want to be lumped in with the Wickedsons of the world, don't hop in bed with them.
yeah, sure. I'm on here blathering about how guns are bad.

Oh wait, no I'm not.
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You don't get to detain private citizens unless you are an officer of the law. This man wasn't that. If some tinfoil badge with a pith helmet tells me to stand around and wait for the cops, I'm going to tell him to shove it up his ass, and if he puts his hands on me, there's going to be a fight.
And if he has a gun you may die. Sounds a lot like you did know exactly what happened yet you don't understand that on private property as in a gated community, yes they can stop and detain you for possible trespass.

People fail to understand that while they cant just ****ing shoot you for no reason, yes you can be stopped and asked to hang for a bit to wait for the police if you don't have a a good answer as to why you are on said private property and decide to get physical instead.
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The guy has absolutely no right whatsoever to try to restrain or even touch the kid. Hope the jury puts the bastard away of a long time.
before we get ahead of ourselves, we don't know that this happened. We're talking hypothetically. If that is how it went down, yeah he's wrong.

There is a possible scenario (which I don't think is very likely), where if the white guy had his weapon concealed and tried to politely ask him what he's doing here, and the kid reacted by starting a fight, yeah then its the black kid's fault.

I really doubt that is what happened, but its possible.
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