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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-23-2012, 10:17 AM   #886
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Duh, because he was the black one.
Well, I assume it's because he was winning the fight and not because he was black.

To me it doesn't matter who threw the first punch. Violence isn't always a fist. After pursuing a kid as he did any form of physical contact could be construed a perfectly valid reason to feel threatened and defend yourself.

I don't really believe it is 'reasonable doubt' that the guy chased the kid, the kid fled, and then suddenly the kid decided to 180 and start beating the shit out of him unprovoked. That requires a giant leap in logic.
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Old 03-23-2012, 10:18 AM   #887
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If I had me a boy he would look just like trayvon. Vote for me.
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Old 03-23-2012, 10:21 AM   #888
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If Zimmerman is screaming for help because heís getting his ass whooped, as has been claimed, that wouldíve stopped with the gun shot too.
Blonde with the butch haircut and magnificent rack is assuming what isnít necessarily apparent.
in this newer interview (she is standing not sitting in this one) she didn't say "screaming for help" she said "crying and whining". that crying and whining stopped after the gun shot. what she says makes sense. so Zimmerman shoots him and then IMMEDIATELY stops "crying and whining"?

hey I have no idea whether Zimmerman is completely innocent or a racist thug. but what that witness said struck a chord with me. in my mind that doesn't make Zimmerman look very good. hopefully justice will be served.
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Old 03-23-2012, 10:22 AM   #889
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Zimmerman is ten years older and a hundred pounds heavier. It seems very unlikely that the kid would have assaulted him after running away initially. They are only putting that forward to because it's critical to his deadly force "defense"
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Old 03-23-2012, 10:23 AM   #890
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You seem to be the one using the one drop rule. Since Zimmerman is not black, he is white, and thus white people need to answer for his crime.
You're a retard. I didn't say anything like that.

I'm not the one focusing on their race or ethnicity.. I'm simply mocking idiots who think hispanic is a race of people because to them the ethnicity and skin color of those involved is the most important thing. I'm not using the rule, I'm pointing out that others are doing and probably don't even realize it.

To me the crime is the most important thing. Imagine that.
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Old 03-23-2012, 10:24 AM   #891
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in this newer interview (she is standing not sitting in this one) she didn't say "screaming for help" she said "crying and whining". that crying and whining stopped after the gun shot. what she says makes sense. so Zimmerman shoots him and then IMMEDIATELY stops "crying and whining"?

hey I have no idea whether Zimmerman is completely innocent or a racist thug. but what that witness said struck a chord with me. in my mind that doesn't make Zimmerman look very good. hopefully justice will be served.
In the 911 audio she is referring too you can hear someone yelling for help. She can call it crying and whining if she wants.
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Old 03-23-2012, 10:25 AM   #892
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Zimmerman is ten years older and a hundred pounds heavier. It seems very unlikely that the kid would have assaulted him after running away initially. They are only putting that forward to because it's critical to his deadly force "defense"
So a young fit dude won't throw a punch at an old fat dude?
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Ugh.

Hispanic is not a 'race'. Charlie Sheen is hispanic, and he's totally white.

I think what you mean is "He looks like he's part mexican (though obviously he inherited the last name from a white person) so he's not actually white"

It's this stupid type of 'one drop rule' thinking that keeps racist ideas so prominent.
Listen dummy, I'm simply commenting on what the media is saying. Why don't you try to write a coherent sentence and we can discuss the matter.
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Listen dummy, I'm simply commenting on what the media is saying. Why don't you try to write a coherent sentence and we can discuss the matter.
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Zimmerman is ten years older and a hundred pounds heavier. It seems very unlikely that the kid would have assaulted him after running away initially. They are only putting that forward to because it's critical to his deadly force "defense"
Jiu-Jistu Instructor buddy has a 16 year old 150 lb student thatíll whoop the majority of the men posting hereís asses. And the girl that Trayvon was talking too on his cell phone stated that he said he was done running then she heard the initial moments of the deadly confrontation. That Trayvon decided to stand his ground to defend himself isnít in question.
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Old 03-23-2012, 10:31 AM   #896
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Zimmerman is a nut-job wanna be police officer. He calls the cops for mundane matters. What 19 year old male has an argument with another driver and then calls the cops because the guy you were tailgating spit at you?

"Local 6 has obtained six of the calls to the non-emergency line that Zimmerman has made in the past year, all leading up to the shooting.

In one of the calls, Zimmerman tells authorities he's with neighborhood watch and has seen a man walking around the neighborhood in pajama pants walking around a resident's house.

"Iíve seen him before on trash days, going around picking up trash," Zimmerman said in the call. " I donít know what his deal is."

In other calls, Zimmerman tells authorities someone left their garage door open or that kids are playing in the street running out in front of cars.

A couple of weeks before Zimmerman shot Martin, according to a call, Zimmerman says he didn't want to approach a suspicious person himself.
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In another case, Zimmerman, then 19, was accused of tailgating and Zimmerman accused the other drive of spitting on him. Zimmerman then called police to report he was battered and chased the suspect in his car until authorities could stop him, according to the report."
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So a young fit dude won't throw a punch at an old fat dude?
There is no reason to believe that.

There is also no reason to believe the guy who was winning the fight started it.

What I find illogical is that someone would flee and then suddenly change their mind and attack.

That doesn't mean it didn't happen, but I still find it to be a less likely scenario than several others.
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Listen dummy, I'm simply commenting on what the media is saying. Why don't you try to write a coherent sentence and we can discuss the matter.
Nobody 'looks' hispanic because it's not an ethnicity or a race.

Did you understand that?
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Nobody 'looks' hispanic because it's not an ethnicity or a race.

Did you understand that?
Tell it to the US Census Bureau who is tracking ďHispanicĒ as an ethnicity.

http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/b...c2010br-02.pdf
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There is no reason to believe that.
Except for the testimony of the girl Trayvon was on the cell phone with at the time. She told him to run, he responded that he was done running.

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There is also no reason to believe the guy who was winning the fight started it.
That is actually true. There is no evidence or witnesses, that I know of at least, that can say they saw what initiated the scuffle.

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What I find illogical is that someone would flee and then suddenly change their mind and attack.

That doesn't mean it didn't happen, but I still find it to be a less likely scenario than several others.
You find it ďillogicalĒ that someone would put up with only so much before having enough and fighting? Thatís actually a fairly common human, possibly even more so American, trait.
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