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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-24-2012, 03:10 PM   #1261
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Let's twist it a little. I come and call your wife whore then punch you. You hit back and get the upper hand, but don't back off and keep pummeling me. I fear for my life. So I unload my gun into you. I get an assault charge for the first punch but am not liable for your death, right?
That's the thing. Once I eliminate the threat of me being injured I should back off. Most people would. If I continue to pound you to where you think that I am going to kill you, yes.

Because you threw a punch at me and called my wife a whore doesn't mean I get to kill you. The person that crosses that line at that instant becomes the aggressor, regardless of who threw the first punch.


The problem with this is that it is totally subjective. What I might view as being in mortal danger the next person might not.
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Old 03-24-2012, 03:13 PM   #1262
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I have not decided how I feel about this yet. Seems like both sides are jumping to conclusions more than usual without even the generic facts all being in.

Did Zimmerman follow him?

Did Martin come back and start the fight?

Did Martin jump a gated neighborhood fence?

Why are all the news media pictures of him at age 12 when he was much older and larger?

Did Zimmerman say "****ing c**n?" on the 9-11 call?

Too many questions for me to say if it is a viable prosecution yet.

I don't see how DOJ is all ready to charge up the local LEO's with civil rights violations though. That seems pretty premature when this is a normal amount of investigatory time.
I agree with some of your points, but this wasn't part of the LEO normal investigation time, because they decided that night that there was no case. They weren't investigating anything. They totally screwed this one up and opened themselves up to all of this by not putting Zimmerman through a normal criminal investigation. Maybe after a decent investigation they come to that conclusion, but they didn't even go through the motions.
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Old 03-24-2012, 03:17 PM   #1263
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Old 03-24-2012, 03:17 PM   #1264
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I agree with some of your points, but this wasn't part of the LEO normal investigation time, because they decided that night that there was no case. They weren't investigating anything. They totally screwed this one up and opened themselves up to all of this by not putting Zimmerman through a normal criminal investigation. Maybe after a decent investigation they come to that conclusion, but they didn't even go through the motions.
I didn't have time to read this entire thread, but there was a statement out there that they had concluded their investigation and determined there was no crime? That they had submitted it to the DA and he said no crime?

Typically in our county, the LEO's even if it is not a close call will still submit it to the prosecutor for consideration.
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Old 03-24-2012, 03:19 PM   #1265
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That's the thing. Once I eliminate the threat of me being injured I should back off. Most people would. If I continue to pound you to where you think that I am going to kill you, yes.

Because you threw a punch at me and called my wife a whore doesn't mean I get to kill you. The person that crosses that line at that instant becomes the aggressor, regardless of who threw the first punch.


The problem with this is that it is totally subjective. What I might view as being in mortal danger the next person might not.
Which is why I think these stand your ground laws are unneeded. If someone comes in your house where they clearly have no business being, it's clear to me that the use of deadly force is warranted. But in a public or neutral space, the necessity to use of deadly force really depends on the circumstances, which are best sorted through in a court of law and not covered by a blanket licence to use deadly force whenever you feel your life is in danger.
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Old 03-24-2012, 03:20 PM   #1266
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I didn't have time to read this entire thread, but there was a statement out there that they had concluded their investigation and determined there was no crime? That they had submitted it to the DA and he said no crime?

Typically in our county, the LEO's even if it is not a close call will still submit it to the prosecutor for consideration.
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Old 03-24-2012, 03:33 PM   #1267
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The DA had convened a grand jury to review a possible indictment. Makes sense to me. What else is he going to do, except file charges without knowing the facts, which is probably unethical.
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Old 03-24-2012, 03:37 PM   #1268
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Which is why I think these stand your ground laws are unneeded. If someone comes in your house where they clearly have no business being, it's clear to me that the use of deadly force is warranted. But in a public or neutral space, the necessity to use of deadly force really depends on the circumstances, which are best sorted through in a court of law and not covered by a blanket licence to use deadly force whenever you feel your life is in danger.
I agree with that statement and if you look at my argument the entire time it is not whether the guy is guilty or not of breaking the law. It has not dealt with charges or the legal ramifications. It has been was the guy justifiable? I feel he was. Whether or not it goes through grand jury and they feel the same way is another beast. I can't speak for them.

Either way it goes whatever happens to Zimmerman, happens. I can see both sides of the aisle having legitimate points.
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Old 03-24-2012, 04:36 PM   #1269
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Trayvon Martin: Sources say police wanted charges filed


SANFORD, Fla. — A vigil for Trayvon Martin was held Friday night at the Allen Chapel A.M.E Church in Sanford.

Dozens of community members and religious leaders gathered at the intimate service.

Lekisha Moore came from Deltona with her young son. "I stand here today outraged not only for Trayvon Martin, but for my own child as well, and

everybody's child," Moore told WFTV.

Songs and prayers filled the night.

"Justice needs to be done, and that's what we need to be praying for," Pastor David Chapman from the First United Methodist Church of Sanford said.

WFTV also learned on Friday that Sanford police did recommend Trayvon Martin’s killer, George Zimmerman, be charged, possibly with manslaughter, but it didn't happen.

And, on Friday, staffers with State Attorney Angela Corey suggested to WFTV’s Daralene Jones that a grand jury may not be involved in the case.

Several sources confirmed for WFTV that Sanford police thought Zimmerman should have been arrested for shooting and killing 17-year-old Martin.


Sources said Sanford police recommended State Attorney Norm Wolfinger review a possible manslaughter charge against Zimmerman.

“Why would Norm Wolfinger sit on this?” Jones asked WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer.

From my experience, it's possible he didn't have enough evidence, and once you make an arrest, the speedy trial clock starts,” said Sheaffer.

That clock means Zimmerman has the right to go to trial within 175 days of his arrest. According to Sheaffer that would have put prosecutors in a bind to hurry and gather enough evidence to make the charge stick.

“Several sources have confirmed for us that Sanford police turned over an investigative summary packet that included a charge of manslaughter. Can you confirm that?” Jones asked lead prosecutor Bernie De la Rionda.

“I'm not going to confirm or deny anything other than what I've told you,” said De la Rionda.

De la Rionda is the lead prosecutor now in charge of the investigation that will determine if Zimmerman will be charged.

“We're going to get to the truth, one way or another,” said De la Rionda.

Gov. Rick Scott appointed Angela Corey out of Duval County, the Jacksonville area, to take over the case, amid concerns it has been mishandled.

“Will you start from scratch, or do you work with what you've been given?” Jones asked De la Rionda.

“We're going to do three things. First thing is review everything that's already been done. Second thing is determine what else needs to be done from our opinion. And then we'll make a decision," he said.


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Changes at the Sanford Police Department

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Two Sanford Police captains have been appointed to temporarily run the department.

Police Capts. Darren Scott and Bob O'Connor will run the department during the absence of Bill Lee.

On Thursday Lee announced that he was temporarily removing himself as police chief.

WFTV’s Jeff Deal learned that Lee, just before he stepped down as chief, promoted five other officers.

The city manager confirmed the promotions and said the officers completed the promotion process at the end of last month.

Some of those promoted have been involved in cases that have made the news.

John Labree, John Foshee, and Steven Lynch were promoted to sergeant. Two current sergeants, Tony Esoss and Randy Smith were promoted to lieutenants.

Smith was head of investigations when George Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin.

Steven Lynch was the officer who shot and killed suspect Nicholas Scott in 2010 after Scott allegedly tried to run him down.

The Florida Department of Law Enforcement decided that the shooting was justified.

John Foshee made headlines that same year after someone stole his M4 assault rifle from his car in Volusia County.

Friday the city manager also introduced the two captains who will now lead the police department.

The captains were not allowed to answer questions.

The city manager refused to say how much the officers made and how much salaries will increase.

The city’s new public relations person, Lisa Mosca, even ran from WFTV’s camera when reporter Jeff Deal tried to ask a few questions about the promotions.

The chief is continuing to collect his $100,000-a-year salary while on leave.

The city has also hired a Massey Communications, a public relations firm, to help handle the Trayvon Martin situation, but the city is refusing to say how much it is paying the firm.


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The President comments on the case

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On Friday, President Barack Obama called the shooting death of Trayvon Martin a "tragedy" and said "every aspect" of the case should be investigated.

When asked about the death of Martin the president said he felt sorry for Martin's parents and said "every parent in America" should understand why it is "absolutely imperative" that the case is investigated.

"I think all of us have to do some soul searching to figure out how something like this happened. That means that we examine the laws and the context for what happened, as well as the specifics of the incident. But, my main message is to the parents of Trayvon Martin. You know, if I had a son he would look like Trayvon. I think they are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves, and we will get to the bottom of exactly what happened," said Obama.

Friday afternoon, Martin's parents thanked the President for his words. They said, “It is humbling that President Obama took time from his busy schedule to talk about Trayvon…The president's personal comments touched us deeply and made us wonder: if his son looked like Trayvon and wore a hoodie, would he be suspicious too?”

The Justice Department and FBI have opened a civil rights investigation and a grand jury is considering whether to charge gunman George Zimmerman.
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There's one indisputable fact in this case.

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Old 03-24-2012, 04:49 PM   #1272
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Zimmerman said he was going back to his SUV when he was attacked by the teen.

Sanford police say Zimmerman was bloody in his face and head, and the back of his shirt was wet and had grass stains, indicating a struggle took place before the shooting

Even though I am sad this kid is dead, If this is how it went down, the kid got what was coming to him.
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Even though I am sad this kid is dead, If this is how it went down, the kid got what was coming to him.
You must be racist because you are saying there is a scenario where Zimmerman was merely a dumbass and not a murderer.

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You must be racist because you are saying there is a scenario where Zimmerman was merely a dumbass and not a murderer.

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Who am I racist against? The Mexican or the Black guy?
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Who am I racist against? The Mexican or the Black guy?
obviously you hate black people. probably mexicans too. in fact, anyone who isn't a part of the master race is probably on some hit list of yours. damn white people always trying to keep the black man down. not being serious.

all the people throwing around racist bullshit in this thread ****ing piss me off. no matter what, if something bad happens to a black person and it is perpetrated by a non black, it is immediately and unequivocally due to race and law enforcement is on the white man's side. facts, or lack thereof, mean nothing.

if there is any chance that all people will live together and be able to co-exists... people (other minorities included) HAVE to stop seeing racism in damn near everything. not to say it doesn't still exist or doesn't still happen but it is not nearly as prevelant as it used to be as the younger generation were mostly brought up without those prejudices.

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