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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-25-2012, 12:08 PM   #1456
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Drawing his weapon? That sounds like a good start. It's not the drawing, its the firing.

I've already said that I believe a thorough ass kicking isn't justification for killing another human imo. 99.99% of fights don't end in someone being beat to death.
But you aren't answering their questions...assuming Marting was in the act of raping Zimmerman...then what?

Could you give me your take on that situation and other situations that didn't happen during the indecent?

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Old 03-25-2012, 12:12 PM   #1457
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Drawing his weapon? That sounds like a good start. It's not the drawing, its the firing.

I've already said that I believe a thorough ass kicking isn't justification for killing another human imo. 99.99% of fights don't end in someone being beat to death.
Prove that 99.99% stat
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Old 03-25-2012, 12:15 PM   #1458
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Assuming Zimmerman's injuries are legitimate injuries and from a confrontation with Martin, and assuming Martin attacked first, exactly how much of a beating should Zimmerman allowed himself to take before drawing his weapon?
Well, one would think the line would be well beyond a bloody nose and some grass stains.
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Old 03-25-2012, 12:18 PM   #1459
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Well, one would think the line would be well beyond a bloody nose and some grass stains.

If this would have been another adult and not a 17 yr old would you feel the same way?
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Old 03-25-2012, 12:23 PM   #1460
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Well, one would think the line would be well beyond a bloody nose and some grass stains.
First, tell that to the cops, who don't have to wait until they're getting beaten to fire.

Second, and this is important, you'll note that nobody, including yourself, has bothered to actually answer my question.
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Old 03-25-2012, 12:24 PM   #1461
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If this would have been another adult and not a 17 yr old would you feel the same way?
Why wouldn't I? You do realize that fights happen all the time right?
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Old 03-25-2012, 12:25 PM   #1462
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Well, one would think the line would be well beyond a bloody nose and some grass stains.
Wasn't he also bleeding from a cut in the back of his head?
Not that it changes much, head wounds particularly around the scalp area can look gruesome cause they bleed like crazy even though the cut isn't that big or dangerous.
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Old 03-25-2012, 12:25 PM   #1463
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Prove that 99.99% stat
Dur, ok. Just as soon as you're done telling me about the 20mph sprint Martin should have used to escape. I should have known better than to assume you'd get the point.

Look, I think we all know that an overwhelming majority of fights aren't life threatening. I've been in more fights than I can count, including some that have earned me or someone else an ambulance ride. At no point did it occur to me that guns needed to enter into the equation.

Zimmerman didn't even require medical attention. If every person out there that got their nosed smashed in responded with gunfire, it would sound like a ****ing war on most Friday and Saturday nights.

Trying to say Zimmerman's life was at risk is no less speculative than other claims in this thread that Zimmerman may have initiated physical contact. Difference being, there's at least a logical train of thought behind speculating on who started it, compared to the ridiculous leap in logic that Zimmermans bloody nose warranted deadly force.
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Why wouldn't I? You do realize that fights happen all the time right?
No I don't, even though I am probably old enough to be your Dad
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First, tell that to the cops, who don't have to wait until they're getting beaten to fire.

Second, and this is important, you'll note that nobody, including yourself, has bothered to actually answer my question.
Your first point isn't a fair comparison at all. It's pretty widely accepted that if you attack a cop, you're gonna have a bad time.

As for your second point, your response is "whatever a jury decides," so I'm not sure that's really any better of an answer.
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No I don't, even though I am probably old enough to be your Dad
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.
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Old 03-25-2012, 12:29 PM   #1467
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I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.
You are asking me if I know fights happen all the time? Cmon man
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You are asking me if I know fights happen all the time? Cmon man
OK, so we agree that fights happen frequently. Is your position that anyone who throws the first punch in a fight deserves to be killed? And if not (since I certainly hope that you'll agree that's absurd), what is the difference here?
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Old 03-25-2012, 12:35 PM   #1470
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Your first point isn't a fair comparison at all. It's pretty widely accepted that if you attack a cop, you're gonna have a bad time.
That's a lousy response on your part. Cops get their asses kicked just like anyone else. What I pointed out was that they aren't required to wait until they're already getting beaten before cracking out the hardware.

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As for your second point, your response is "whatever a jury decides," so I'm not sure that's really any better of an answer.
Of course it is a better answer, since my response is what the law is. It's the group of you who've chosen to ignore that without offering a legitimate alternative that I'm trying to get to offer said alternative. If getting pummeled enough to end up on the ground with bloodied face and back of head isn't enough, what is? Is a broken jaw sufficient? How about the loss of an eye? Internal bleeding? Where's the cutoff between "got to take a beating" and "can finally act with extra force to preserve my life"? You all seem to think there's a cutoff point that's hard and fast, so let's have it.
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