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Old 03-08-2012, 12:50 PM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-25-2012, 04:17 PM   #1531
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Reasonable Doubt, especially if martin's own father wasn't sure. And, what I said was NOT false. The report said it was Zimmerman screaming. There was no witness who said 'I heard the kid' or 'trayvon' screaming. Lrn2Evidence
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your argument. This has been posted a number of times:

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Sanford police have been criticized for not conducting an alcohol or drug test on Zimmerman, as is standard practice in a homicide probe, among other alleged missteps. And a witness has said that a law enforcement officer “corrected” her when she said she heard Martin screaming for help. Lee had emerged as a focal point of the criticism.
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Old 03-25-2012, 04:20 PM   #1532
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As I said 10 million pages ago. Once obama gets involved. Game over.
I might agree if he wasn't so neutral about it. He pretty much just said he wanted to make sure justice was done. He didn't say anything about the case specifically.
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Old 03-25-2012, 04:21 PM   #1533
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Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your argument. This has been posted a number of times:
Its funny that she was able to identify the voice as Trayvon's when his own father couldn't. SHe must be a friend of the family to know his voice so well? Even in the heat of the moment?
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Old 03-25-2012, 04:22 PM   #1534
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This will be difficult to overcome I agree. BUT, lets say trayvon walked fast or was running away from the SUV while ZImmerman was calling 911. Zimmerman gets out of his car to look at the address to give to police, and was going to wait by his car. Zimmerman says hey what are you doing here, trayvon turns around and says 'why are you following me' and gets pissed and then he initiates the physicality...

I think it is a pretty big assumption to assume Zimmerman initiated the physical contact.....and I think it is the most critical factor in the entire case. Just as you seem to.

(Im going to substitute 'initiate physical contact' for 'chased down' but I think we are pretty much on the same page)
isn't it a pretty big assumption that it's ok to kill someone who punched you in the nose because he threw the first punch?

or to put it another way it's a pretty big assumption that a "reasonable man" armed with a gun would be in fear of his life because he was punched in the nose, particularly when the other party was not armed in any way, unless you count skittles...
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Old 03-25-2012, 04:22 PM   #1535
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Its funny that she was able to identify the voice as Trayvon's when his own father couldn't. SHe must be a friend of the family to know his voice so well?
I'm not arguing whether she's right or not. You said that no witnesses had said they heard him screaming. She did. QED.
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Old 03-25-2012, 04:23 PM   #1536
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it's a pretty big assumption that it's ok to kill someone who punched you in the nose...

or to put it another way it's a pretty big assumption that a "reasonable man" armed with a gun would be in fear of his life because he was punched in the nose, particularly when the other party was not armed in any way, unless you count skittles...
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Old 03-25-2012, 04:24 PM   #1537
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I'm not arguing whether she's right or not. You said that no witnesses had said they heard him screaming. She did. QED.
She did not.

She heard SOMEONE Screaming.

Thats my point.
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Old 03-25-2012, 04:26 PM   #1538
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Its funny that she was able to identify the voice as Trayvon's when his own father couldn't. SHe must be a friend of the family to know his voice so well? Even in the heat of the moment?
are those who say it was zimmerman's voice friends of his family?
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are those who say it was zimmerman's voice friends of his family?
No one has come out and said it was zmmerman's voice to my knowledge as of yet.

I think most people just reported to hear 'someone' screaming....

But just like Zimmerman being 'white' and trayvon martin being a 'good kid' I'm sure there will be no mistakes by the media.

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You keep asking for an answer, but you're not able to answer it yourself?
I keep asking the people making the claim to give an answer in return. Why are you trying to turn this around onto me? Are you that afraid of giving a real answer?
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yeah, i've heard about people on skittles...

it's like pcp on steroids with a high glucose iv running full tilt...

and every day, someone high on skittles attacks larger men and kills them all because of that devil drug high fructose corn syrup...

for that reason alone i would be in fear of my life if punched in the nose by a skittle addict...

now, i wonder where frazod keeps his gun? i may need to borrow it in case i get punched in the nose someday...
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She did not.

She heard SOMEONE Screaming.

Thats my point.
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This is making my head hurt, as I have no idea why you're not seeing the contradiction here.

Here's what you said:

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Bringing him in does not mean arresting/holding him though. It just means getting his statement....if he walks out they would have to arrest him or let him go.

Witnesses did not say they heard 'the kid' screaming, in the initial report at least it was Zimmerman who was reported to be screaming. Even when they played the audio tape for Travon's father for the 1st time, he did not claim it was Trayvon screaming.
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Sanford police have been criticized for not conducting an alcohol or drug test on Zimmerman, as is standard practice in a homicide probe, among other alleged missteps. And a witness has said that a law enforcement officer “corrected” her when she said she heard Martin screaming for help. Lee had emerged as a focal point of the criticism.
Are those not contradictory?

(Regardless, I'm done with this argument. It's not adding any value at this point.)
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yeah, i've heard about people on skittles...

it's like pcp on steroids with a high glucose iv running full tilt...

and every day, someone high on skittles attacks larger men and kills them all because of that devil drug high fructose corn syrup...

for that reason alone i would be in fear of my life if punched in the nose by a skittle addict...

now, i wonder where frazod keeps his gun? i may need to borrow it in case i get punched in the nose someday...
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I keep asking the people making the claim to give an answer in return. Why are you trying to turn this around onto me? Are you that afraid of giving a real answer?
I gave an answer that it's beyond a bloody nose and grass stains a long time ago. I'm not saying the law should be re-written. I agree that you can't spell out the specific injuries that are allowable and those that are not. Is that the point you've been trying to prove this whole time?
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His nose was broken, not just bloody.
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