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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-28-2012, 11:36 PM   #2041
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There were 34 self defense killings in Detroit alone last year... I highly doubt that all of them resulted in indictments... and I never heard a word about any of them in the national news... did you?
This story is a little different in that they have a guy making a 911 call (recorded of course) reporting someone 'suspicious,' the guy apparently following after the suspicious person after being told not to, the guy not seeming to be in any danger prior to him following after the suspicious person, and then a dead unarmed guy.

All of the circumstances add up to a situation that is a little out of the ordinary.
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Old 03-28-2012, 11:59 PM   #2042
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I'm curious, a few weeks ago one of the networks, I think CBS, was reporting that the 911 call recorded Zimmerman using a racial slur (coon).

Has that since been confirmed? The reason why I ask is because if it's not true, and they just made that up, then that is egregiously irresponsible. I want to write to that network and let them know I will never trust them again.
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Old 03-29-2012, 12:11 AM   #2043
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I'm curious, a few weeks ago one of the networks, I think CBS, was reporting that the 911 call recorded Zimmerman using a racial slur (coon).

Has that since been confirmed? The reason why I ask is because if it's not true, and they just made that up, then that is egregiously irresponsible. I want to write to that network and let them know I will never trust them again.
Even if he did say it it's not against the law to do so, it is not a HATE crime if you are the one who is physically attacked.

Had Zimmerman called him a ****ing coon and physically attacked him that could be a hate crime but him saying ****ing coon and getting attacked has nothing to do with this except to stoke the fire of the ones who only see this as a racial event.

Zimmerman could have screamed it at him and there is no law that says he can't do it unless he then assaulted Trayvon....

As racist as it would be to call someone a ****ing coon would be does not make it a crime to do so.
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Old 03-29-2012, 12:36 AM   #2044
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Even if he did say it it's not against the law to do so, it is not a HATE crime if you are the one who is physically attacked.

Had Zimmerman called him a ****ing coon and physically attacked him that could be a hate crime but him saying ****ing coon and getting attacked has nothing to do with this except to stoke the fire of the ones who only see this as a racial event.

Zimmerman could have screamed it at him and there is no law that says he can't do it unless he then assaulted Trayvon....

As racist as it would be to call someone a ****ing coon would be does not make it a crime to do so.
You're beginning to back yourself into a corner with this line of argumentation.
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Old 03-29-2012, 01:11 AM   #2045
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I'm curious, a few weeks ago one of the networks, I think CBS, was reporting that the 911 call recorded Zimmerman using a racial slur (coon).

Has that since been confirmed? The reason why I ask is because if it's not true, and they just made that up, then that is egregiously irresponsible. I want to write to that network and let them know I will never trust them again.
It is a whisper. A fart in the wind that is totally subjective to whomever is listening to it. To be honest there could have been dead silence and the media would have reported it was Zimmerman pausing to put on his KKK outfit.

Speaking of which, I bet the KKK are laughing there asses off. A mexican killed a black man and the mexican is being called a racist.
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Old 03-29-2012, 02:42 AM   #2046
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You're beginning to back yourself into a corner with this line of argumentation.
How so?

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Old 03-29-2012, 03:13 AM   #2047
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How so?
By your rationale, someone could walk up to a husband and wife, call the wife a fat, stupid ****ing whore, and if the husband stood up in her honor could legally be shot dead if he so much as touches the person who used the hate speech/fighting words.

Or if a white person went to Harlem and started screaming racial slurs and got their ass kicked, they're in the clear legally.

Riiiiiiight.

I'm pretty sure said slur users would be charged with disorderly conduct at least.
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Old 03-29-2012, 06:10 AM   #2048
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Video of Zimmerman at the police station:

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...artin-shooting

The video seems to indicate that Zimmerman did not appear to be as ****ed up as he said he was...no blood all over him, no cuts on the back of the head, etc. Sorry if repost.
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Old 03-29-2012, 06:30 AM   #2049
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Video of Zimmerman at the police station:

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...artin-shooting

The video seems to indicate that Zimmerman did not appear to be as ****ed up as he said he was...no blood all over him, no cuts on the back of the head, etc. Sorry if repost.
I found it interesting that Zimmerman's father is a retired judge. Just speculating but it is possible the prosecutor threw in a bit of professional courtesy and took Zimmerman's story at his word because ofwho his father was. I'd like to see all lines of communication the father had available to him that night to see if any calls were made and who they were made to.

I'd like to see if any forensic examination was done on Martin's hands. Does he have any identifing marks to indicate a fist fight? And I do believe Zimmerman is the one with the most likely to lie about his story in this incident since he is the shooter.

So many questions on both sides about this we will never know the real truth
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Old 03-29-2012, 07:08 AM   #2050
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There's no requirement for bruises if he believed his life was in danger. You don't have to wait until you're within an inch of losing your life to pull the trigger justifiably.
All I am saying is if you are claiming self-defense because you were getting your ass kicked yet had no visible signs of such an ass kicking then that might be a little suspicious.

I would like to see if they release any pictures of his face and back of his head before I make any more judgements on this
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All I am saying is if you are claiming self-defense because you were getting your ass kicked yet had no visible signs of such an ass kicking then that might be a little suspicious.

I would like to see if they release any pictures of his face and back of his head before I make any more judgements on this
Well, according to that video, he doesn't seem to have blood all over his face or back of his head as would have been indicated if he had a broken nose or lacerations on the back of his head from being pounded into the cement. One would think his injuries would be documented somewhere though, perhaps the video is just not clear enough to see.
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Not to point out the obvious but I wouldn't count on finding any blood on his shirt. It is very likely Zimmerman had his red fleece zipped up considering the weather at the time. The reason why you see it open now is because of a likely pat down before being put into the police vehicle. The better question is was there blood on the red fleece, whose blood was it and is the article of clothing in police custody?
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Old 03-29-2012, 07:54 AM   #2053
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Well, according to that video, he doesn't seem to have blood all over his face or back of his head as would have been indicated if he had a broken nose or lacerations on the back of his head from being pounded into the cement. One would think his injuries would be documented somewhere though, perhaps the video is just not clear enough to see.
Here is a close up of that video. Police don't like getting their cruisers all bloodied up and they will clean the victim up fairly good before they put the person in the cruiser. I have a good friend who is a cop.

Close up of video - http://www.khow.com/pages/boyles.html?article=9967031
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Again, if GZ is a black man this is a NON-STORY !!

In the world of Progressive Political Correctness the black race has been the officially adopted "sacred black cow"(no pun intended) that are "always the victims" especially when a white person is involved "regardless of the truth".

And now it appears you don't even have to be white now!! Just create your own race label which is what the "useful idiots" in the Marxist Media have done
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Black on black doesn't work. When you have black crime on black victim you can't "community organize" against the oppressive white man therefore no story here !!
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