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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

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Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-30-2012, 09:12 AM   #2161
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what gives a NW dork the right to scuffle? detain? no, he has to obey the law just like cops are supposed to do and everyone else. you don't have a right to detain and he doesn't either. the task of NW is to "watch". duh.

this dude is a yahoo, I'm pretty sure this is going to end badly for r8er and the rest of you fascist toddlers, but as usual you guys got the jump on whining & distorting.
Do you have the ability to stay on subject and answer a question?
Do you actually think this weak assed deflection constitutes a rational thought?
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Old 03-30-2012, 09:17 AM   #2162
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Well the lead detective saw the wounds in all their glory, and still felt like Zimmermans story didn't jive and wanted to arrest him.

But he probably doesn't have the facts like us BB Sherlocks.
And I believe it has been posted here that the lead detective submitted his case file to the State Attorney’s office who will decide whether or not to pursue charges, which is pretty much how these kinds of things work.

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Not enough evidence to convict isn't the same thing as innocent.
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Old 03-30-2012, 09:18 AM   #2163
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really, the guy should have been booked. let the prosecutors office handle this. that is SOP and that's why the hoodie movement came to existence.
It was the prosecutor who didn't want to charge him... the police thought they should.
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Old 03-30-2012, 09:23 AM   #2164
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It was the prosecutor who didn't want to charge him... the police thought they should.
Am I the only one noticing the fuzzy surveillance photo’s everyone is using to determining injuries, or lack of, is from the police station where Zimmerman is being lead through in cuffs?
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Old 03-30-2012, 10:13 AM   #2165
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That's pretty funny since the original story portrayed an evil Archie Bunker gunning down skittle loving baby faced Trayvon in cold blood for WWB. Now we've got a hispanic getting his ass kicked by a thug and shooting him to for fear of his safety. So who got the jump on distorting the facts?
1) the dude has no right to gun down an unarmed man. these ppl are no diff than you or I, which means you are in deep shit if you do this and that was what pissed ppl off.

2) "Now we've got a hispanic getting his ass kicked by a thug" so according to you this ****stick was just doin his job when mandingo assaulted. there you go again, distorting shit. either way, read "1" above again. you don't have that right.

3) we wouldn't have this lame ass crybaby thread if it weren't for the fact this idiot wasn't immediately charged with this young man's death. scream all you want, the hoodie movement made the "public servants" do their ****ing job and this will (now) be handled properly thanks to them.
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Old 03-30-2012, 10:17 AM   #2166
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It was the prosecutor who didn't want to charge him... the police thought they should.
the prosecutors office doesn't have that authority, but I believe what you're saying is partially to blame for this. if it were in my digs, i'd call for the police chief's head. he needed to do his damn job and the prosecutors office could have buried this if they wanted to, or flat out dismiss it, but the point is, gov't agencies need to stop making excuses for not finishing the job.
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Old 03-30-2012, 10:24 AM   #2167
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the prosecutors office doesn't have that authority, but I believe what you're saying is partially to blame for this. if it were in my digs, i'd call for the police chief's head. he needed to do his damn job and the prosecutors office could have buried this if they wanted to, or flat out dismiss it, but the point is, gov't agencies need to stop making excuses for not finishing the job.

Who do you think is going to have to go into court and make those charges stick?
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Old 03-30-2012, 11:01 AM   #2168
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Was there a right/left split on how that case was viewed? I didn't follow it closely at all, but I don't remember opinions breaking down along partisan lines.
There wasn't which was kind of my point. The right crucified her in the media and found her guilty before innocent just as much as the left did. So her point about this is how the left does justice is bs. This is how America as a whole does justice, we assume everyone is guilty before being innocent.
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Old 03-30-2012, 11:11 AM   #2169
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1) the dude has no right to gun down an unarmed man. these ppl are no diff than you or I, which means you are in deep shit if you do this and that was what pissed ppl off.

2) "Now we've got a hispanic getting his ass kicked by a thug" so according to you this ****stick was just doin his job when mandingo assaulted. there you go again, distorting shit. either way, read "1" above again. you don't have that right.

3) we wouldn't have this lame ass crybaby thread if it weren't for the fact this idiot wasn't immediately charged with this young man's death. scream all you want, the hoodie movement made the "public servants" do their ****ing job and this will (now) be handled properly thanks to them.

Under Florida law he is allowed to use deadly force if his life is in danger. Which it sounds like it was according eye-witnesses..


It's the same in Colorado:

For example, about a 6 months ago I accidently cut this guy off on the road. He then gets around me on the left and wedges me over on the shoulder. He then proceeds to get out of his car with his tire iron with his girlfriend in the passenger seat. At this piont I feel like my life is threatened. So I pull out my 40 and tell the guy sorry for cutting him off, but if he took one more step with the tire iron, I was gonna empty my gun into his chest.

So he leaves at his girlfriends request and I called the police. The police said I was justified. I really see little differences from a 10,000 foot-view in this case.
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Old 03-30-2012, 11:13 AM   #2170
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Making a bad decision that ultimately puts you into a position where you end up fearing for your life and using lethal force in self-defense doesn't necessarily make you guilty of manslaughter.

Following a guy who you suspect might be violent, doesn't justify the beatdown you end up taking and doesn't make the self-defense shooting you deliver manslaughter. OTOH, starting a fight with the guy by taking the first punch might. We don't know what happened here.
We don't and that's fair to say we can't judge what we don't know. But I still view it from.... Some kid got shot and it should be Zimmermans burden of proof to prove it was self defense. It is outrageous that the police dropped charges given that there is significant reasonable doubt that Zimmerman didn't do this maliciously. He has to prove that he truly went to his car after being instructed to drop pursuit. That's suspect. I find that hard to believe.. Zimmerman has to prove that Martin assaulted him and if so, but that that wasn't self defense. If you saw a creepy guy chasing you doesn't martin have the right to stand his ground? And we have to do all that knowing full well that Zimmerman has a shady history that leads you to believe he has some anger issues.

So yeah, because the end result was an unarmed kid getting shot by a guy with very shady evidence to suggest martin initiated a fight that warranted guns for self defense, I'm starting with the idea that Zimmerman is guilty until proven innocent.
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Old 03-30-2012, 11:15 AM   #2171
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the prosecutors office doesn't have that authority, but I believe what you're saying is partially to blame for this. if it were in my digs, i'd call for the police chief's head. he needed to do his damn job and the prosecutors office could have buried this if they wanted to, or flat out dismiss it, but the point is, gov't agencies need to stop making excuses for not finishing the job.
there is so much stupid in this post I don't know where to start a reply.
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Old 03-30-2012, 11:22 AM   #2172
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Under Florida law he is allowed to use deadly force if his life is in danger. Which it sounds like it was according eye-witnesses..
But he ran to the fight in which his life was in danger. Can anyone start a fight now, get their ass kicked and then shoot the person who did the ass kicking?

I don't have a problem with Zimmerman not being arrested. The grand jury should take a thorough look at it and make the call. I think it will be difficult to get a jury to convict him but I would put a small amount of money on this going to trial at some point.

And I don't believe in the idea of hate crimes so I really hope that the feds don't play that card.
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Old 03-30-2012, 11:31 AM   #2173
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Under Florida law he is allowed to use deadly force if his life is in danger. Which it sounds like it was according eye-witnesses..


It's the same in Colorado:

For example, about a 6 months ago I accidently cut this guy off on the road. He then gets around me on the left and wedges me over on the shoulder. He then proceeds to get out of his car with his tire iron with his girlfriend in the passenger seat. At this piont I feel like my life is threatened. So I pull out my 40 and tell the guy sorry for cutting him off, but if he took one more step with the tire iron, I was gonna empty my gun into his chest.

So he leaves at his girlfriends request and I called the police. The police said I was justified. I really see little differences from a 10,000 foot-view in this case.



You can't explain the law to a bunch of people who only see race.
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Under Florida law he is allowed to use deadly force if his life is in danger. Which it sounds like it was according eye-witnesses..


It's the same in Colorado:

For example, about a 6 months ago I accidently cut this guy off on the road. He then gets around me on the left and wedges me over on the shoulder. He then proceeds to get out of his car with his tire iron with his girlfriend in the passenger seat. At this piont I feel like my life is threatened. So I pull out my 40 and tell the guy sorry for cutting him off, but if he took one more step with the tire iron, I was gonna empty my gun into his chest.

So he leaves at his girlfriends request and I called the police. The police said I was justified. I really see little differences from a 10,000 foot-view in this case.
If Zimmerman pursued martin aggressively for no good reason, I doesn't that justify Martins response? I couldn't he have believed his life was in danger too?
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If Zimmerman pursued martin aggressively for no good reason, I doesn't that justify Martins response? I couldn't he have believed his life was in danger too?

Oh so GZ pulled his gun on him?

You can't justify shooting someone by verbally threatening someone from a distance or following them from a distance.
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