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Old 03-08-2012, 12:50 PM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-30-2012, 01:06 PM   #2176
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Oh so GZ pulled his gun on him?

You can't justify shooting someone by verbally threatening someone from a distance or following them from a distance.
If you are a teenager with an older bigger man pursuing you, wouldn't you feel worried about your safety? So the law doesn't cover stalking?
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Old 03-30-2012, 01:07 PM   #2177
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If Zimmerman pursued martin aggressively for no good reason, I doesn't that justify Martins response? I couldn't he have believed his life was in danger too?
Yes, I personally believe that is reasonable.
Where I think he crossed the line from self-defense to assault is when he jumped on top of GZ and started pounding his head into the pavement, supposedly saying “you’re going to die tonight”.
If he’d have just bopped GZ in the nose and walked off when he hit the ground, which is what it sounds like happened, then he’s clear of any guilt. If GZ sits up at that point and shoots Trayvon as he’s walking away that would clearly be murder.
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Old 03-30-2012, 01:16 PM   #2178
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Under Florida law he is allowed to use deadly force if his life is in danger. Which it sounds like it was according eye-witnesses..


It's the same in Colorado:

For example, about a 6 months ago I accidently cut this guy off on the road. He then gets around me on the left and wedges me over on the shoulder. He then proceeds to get out of his car with his tire iron with his girlfriend in the passenger seat. At this piont I feel like my life is threatened. So I pull out my 40 and tell the guy sorry for cutting him off, but if he took one more step with the tire iron, I was gonna empty my gun into his chest.

So he leaves at his girlfriends request and I called the police. The police said I was justified. I really see little differences from a 10,000 foot-view in this case.
so this kid had a tire iron now. didn't know that. I did read he was an "unarmed Florida teenager" though.
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Old 03-30-2012, 01:19 PM   #2179
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But he ran to the fight in which his life was in danger. Can anyone start a fight now, get their ass kicked and then shoot the person who did the ass kicking?
You are talking about different points in time and the difference between defense and assault. You can be in a self defense situation and have it turn into assault. Which is possible here.
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Old 03-30-2012, 01:21 PM   #2180
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so this kid had a tire iron now. didn't know that. I did read he was an "unarmed Florida teenager" though.
I far as I know the kid had no weapon; but the presence of a weapon is not required to use deadly force if you are in a position where your head is getting bashed into the concrete.
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Old 03-30-2012, 01:23 PM   #2181
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Who do you think is going to have to go into court and make those charges stick?
here's how stuff works; cop files report including violation. then, hearing. then outcome. that is called due process you idiot.
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Old 03-30-2012, 01:24 PM   #2182
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Yes, I personally believe that is reasonable.
Where I think he crossed the line from self-defense to assault is when he jumped on top of GZ and started pounding his head into the pavement, supposedly saying “you’re going to die tonight”.
If he’d have just bopped GZ in the nose and walked off when he hit the ground, which is what it sounds like happened, then he’s clear of any guilt. If GZ sits up at that point and shoots Trayvon as he’s walking away that would clearly be murder.
Is there a witness claiming this? Or is that just the cop and father, and neither of whom were there.
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Old 03-30-2012, 01:26 PM   #2183
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Is there a witness claiming this? Or is that just the cop and father, and neither of whom were there.
Witnesses to Trayvon being on top of Zimmerman beating him and GZ screaming for help? Yes, there are witnesses.
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Old 03-30-2012, 01:27 PM   #2184
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here's how stuff works; cop files report including violation. then, hearing. then outcome. that is called due process you idiot.
You don’t go to “hearing” without charges. that you’re calling anyone else an idiot here.
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Old 03-30-2012, 01:27 PM   #2185
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If Zimmerman pursued martin aggressively for no good reason, I doesn't that justify Martins response? I couldn't he have believed his life was in danger too?
Like I said; one can go from a defense situation to an assault situation. If martin knocked him on the groud he should have continuted running, but once he started bashing Z's head into the ground...it became a situaiton where Z's life was in danger. I've yet to see anything that says Martin was being attacked by Zimmerman. Zimmerman was conducting a duty for the gated community and Zimmerman was trying to get information from him or atleast detain him until the police got there.

I would imagine had Martin cooperated with Zimmerman...none of this would have happened. Either way both have a history of violence that needs to be considered on both counts in any trial IMO.
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Old 03-30-2012, 01:28 PM   #2186
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I far as I know the kid had no weapon; but the presence of a weapon is not required to use deadly force if you are in a position where your head is getting bashed into the concrete.
Even if true doesn't this rely on a Huge assumption that trayvon started it? Or isn't it very possible that gz verbally or physically threatened or even assaulted trayvon first without just cause?
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I far as I know the kid had no weapon; but the presence of a weapon is not required to use deadly force if you are in a position where your head is getting bashed into the concrete.
if that is his defense, he's gonna fry.
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If you are a teenager with an older bigger man pursuing you, wouldn't you feel worried about your safety? So the law doesn't cover stalking?
Even Stalking would not warrant felony assault

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Yes, I personally believe that is reasonable.
Where I think he crossed the line from self-defense to assault is when he jumped on top of GZ and started pounding his head into the pavement, supposedly saying “you’re going to die tonight”.
If he’d have just bopped GZ in the nose and walked off when he hit the ground, which is what it sounds like happened, then he’s clear of any guilt. If GZ sits up at that point and shoots Trayvon as he’s walking away that would clearly be murder.
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so this kid had a tire iron now. didn't know that. I did read he was an "unarmed Florida teenager" though.
He had a flat piece of concrete that becomes a weapon when a head is slammed into it.
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Old 03-30-2012, 01:30 PM   #2189
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You don’t go to “hearing” without charges. that you’re calling anyone else an idiot here.
well, if an officer files them, they are in fact charges. damn dude, you need t o be spoonfed every bite.
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here's how stuff works; cop files report including violation. then, hearing. then outcome. that is called due process you idiot.
you watch entirely too much Law & Order
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