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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-30-2012, 04:24 PM   #2266
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This tells you a few things. Yeah, Trayvan isn't the saint he's painted to be.

But in terms of Zimmerman, it shows he sure seems to have aggressive tendencies. We all know these types of people. It's not like they accidentally fall into these situations. They either provoke them or they overreact to them in ways other people would not.

But the bigger question for me is... given this track record, why would he be appointed to be on Neighborhood Watch? That scares the shit out of me that a guy with these kinds of tendencies would be asked to watch over my neighborhood, let alone carry a firearm.
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A month later, Zimmerman's ex-fiancee filed a temporary order of protection against him, and he counter-filed against her. The court granted both orders. As part of the order, Zimmerman was prohibited from having a firearm or ammunition. The order was lifted in August 2006.

But as it says he counter filed and both were granted..

That cop thing was reduced from a felony to a misdemeanor to totally dropped so there must have not been anything to it because Judges don't tolerate cop assaults too well.
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Old 03-30-2012, 04:25 PM   #2267
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Hell they could both be pieces of shit for all I know, I am just trying to determine guilt by the way the law is written...

I am not glad that kid is dead but I don't want to see a man hang for defending himself legally either
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Old 03-30-2012, 04:30 PM   #2268
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Hell they could both be pieces of shit for all I know, I am just trying to determine guilt by the way the law is written...

I am not glad that kid is dead but I don't want to see a man hang for defending himself legally either
Like I said, I think trayvon will have a tough case if Zimmerman has clear injuries. From a legal standpoint, I think Zimmerman is covered.

I'm looking at this more from the standpoint of... Did Zimmerman do anything wrong. I still believe that story hangs together that he is significantly to blame for what happened (trayvon too, but Zimmerman too).
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Old 03-30-2012, 04:34 PM   #2269
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The cop thing wasn't dropped based on what I read.

He pleaded down in exchange for a type of suspended sentence that results in it going off your record if you complete the terms of the sentence (usually a term of probation).

It coming off his record is not the same thing as the charges being dropped.
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Old 03-30-2012, 04:38 PM   #2270
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But the bigger question for me is... given this track record, why would he be appointed to be on Neighborhood Watch? That scares the shit out of me that a guy with these kinds of tendencies would be asked to watch over my neighborhood, let alone carry a firearm.
I read somewhere he was self appointed.
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Old 03-30-2012, 04:41 PM   #2271
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Like I said, I think trayvon will have a tough case if Zimmerman has clear injuries. From a legal standpoint, I think Zimmerman is covered.

I'm looking at this more from the standpoint of... Did Zimmerman do anything wrong. I still believe that story hangs together that he is significantly to blame for what happened (trayvon too, but Zimmerman too).
Well the think that will hurt the case for the Trayvon side is the lack of witnesses on his side.

One minor girl that does not or cannot be identified that was only on the phone with him will not trump an actual eyewitness.

I just want justice, No hyped up racially motivated shit, just justice...

If that kid was shot for no good reason then the shooter does not represent anything I believe in.

If Trayvon chose to pursue GZ when he could have just walked off then that was just a very poor decision that he will never have a chance to recover from.

Everybody said that GZ was so much fatter than this kid so to me, I don't see how this kid could have not gotten away if he wanted to, not that he has to retreat same as GZ.

But this is the most important part...

Even if Trayvon chose to approach GZ, and just ask him what his problem was, and didn't resort to violence he would be alive in MY MIND today..

Being black with a hoodie on in the neighborhood did not get him killed in my mind, launching a vicious felony assault on the wrong person did.
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Old 03-30-2012, 04:42 PM   #2272
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The cop thing wasn't dropped based on what I read.

He pleaded down in exchange for a type of suspended sentence that results in it going off your record if you complete the terms of the sentence (usually a term of probation).

It coming off his record is not the same thing as the charges being dropped.

George Zimmerman was arrested in July 2005 on charges of felony resisting arrest with violence and battery on a police officer. The charges were reduced to a single misdemeanor and eventually dropped.
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Old 03-30-2012, 05:18 PM   #2273
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Being black with a hoodie on in the neighborhood did not get him killed in my mind, launching a vicious felony assault on the wrong person did.
You don't know he launched a vicious felony assault.
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Old 03-30-2012, 05:20 PM   #2274
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You don't know he launched a vicious felony assault.
Going by what the evidence is pointing to and the witness accounts as well as the police report.
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Going by what the evidence is pointing to and the witness accounts as well as the police report.
Witness accounts say they do not know which one was on top. Witness accounts can not identify which person was the aggressor. Why do you continue to state false truths?

It is Zimmerman's account that he was attacked and his account alone. Not any witness.

The police did not think the evidence pointed towards a self defense claim. They thought Zimmerman should be charged with manslaughter. The prosecutor did not say the evidence pointed towards self defense. IIRC It was clearly stated from the prosecutor that they didn't think there was enough evidence to charge Zimmerman. Not having enough evidence to charge and the evidence pointing towards self defense have 2 very different and distinct meanings

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Old 03-30-2012, 09:39 PM   #2276
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Florida teen's body showed no sign of fight, funeral director says

MIAMI (Reuters) - The Florida funeral director who prepared Trayvon Martin's body for burial said there were no bruises or other signs of a fight like the one described by the neighborhood watch volunteer who killed him.

The only injury on the 17-year-old's body was the fatal gunshot wound in his chest, funeral director Richard Kurtz told the CBS4 television station in Miami.

George Zimmerman told police he shot Martin inside a gated community in central Florida on February 26 in self-defense after Martin attacked him and repeatedly bashed his head into a concrete walkway.

"The story just does not make sense that he was in this type of scuffle or fight," Kurtz, a funeral director at the Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale, told the television station.

"In dressing the body we could see no physical signs like there had been a scuffle," he said. "I didn't see any knuckles' bruises and what have you, and that is something we would cover up if it would have been there. I did not see any signs of any cuts on his neck or face."

Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer, was driving to a store when he spotted Martin walking back to his father's fiancée's home after buying candy and iced tea. Zimmerman called 911 and reported that the teen looked suspicious and followed him against the dispatcher's advice.

He said Martin attacked him and that he shot in self-defense. Police declined to arrest Zimmerman, prompting nationwide protests from citizens, politicians and civil rights activists who argue that Zimmerman, a white Hispanic, considered Martin suspicious because he was black.

Martin's autopsy report has not been released and the state prosecutor investigating the case said on Thursday that some evidence is being withheld from the public because it is part of an active criminal investigation.

Police at the scene said the 28-year-old shooter was bleeding from the nose and the back of the head, and Zimmerman's lawyer said his client suffered a broken nose from Martin's punch.

But no blood or bruising was visible on Zimmerman in video taken by police surveillance cameras as uniformed officers led him into the police station for questioning after the shooting, nor were there blood stains visible on his clothes.


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It is possible and perhaps likely the shooter injured himself after the shooting in effort to place blame.
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Hell they could both be pieces of shit for all I know, I am just trying to determine guilt by the way the law is written...

I am not glad that kid is dead but I don't want to see a man hang for defending himself legally either
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Florida teen's body showed no sign of fight, funeral director says

MIAMI (Reuters) - The Florida funeral director who prepared Trayvon Martin's body for burial said there were no bruises or other signs of a fight like the one described by the neighborhood watch volunteer who killed him.

The only injury on the 17-year-old's body was the fatal gunshot wound in his chest, funeral director Richard Kurtz told the CBS4 television station in Miami.

George Zimmerman told police he shot Martin inside a gated community in central Florida on February 26 in self-defense after Martin attacked him and repeatedly bashed his head into a concrete walkway.

"The story just does not make sense that he was in this type of scuffle or fight," Kurtz, a funeral director at the Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale, told the television station.

"In dressing the body we could see no physical signs like there had been a scuffle," he said. "I didn't see any knuckles' bruises and what have you, and that is something we would cover up if it would have been there. I did not see any signs of any cuts on his neck or face."

Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer, was driving to a store when he spotted Martin walking back to his father's fiancée's home after buying candy and iced tea. Zimmerman called 911 and reported that the teen looked suspicious and followed him against the dispatcher's advice.

He said Martin attacked him and that he shot in self-defense. Police declined to arrest Zimmerman, prompting nationwide protests from citizens, politicians and civil rights activists who argue that Zimmerman, a white Hispanic, considered Martin suspicious because he was black.

Martin's autopsy report has not been released and the state prosecutor investigating the case said on Thursday that some evidence is being withheld from the public because it is part of an active criminal investigation.

Police at the scene said the 28-year-old shooter was bleeding from the nose and the back of the head, and Zimmerman's lawyer said his client suffered a broken nose from Martin's punch.

But no blood or bruising was visible on Zimmerman in video taken by police surveillance cameras as uniformed officers led him into the police station for questioning after the shooting, nor were there blood stains visible on his clothes.


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I see no reason why knuckles would be damaged from punching someone in the nose or slamming someones head into the concrete

Please punch yourself in the nose really hard a few times and then post a picture of your knuckles so we can know for sure.

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Seriously, chiefsfootballfan, that indicates Martin was on top and putting the beat down easily on Zimmerman because he was stronger and in better shape. It could have been a very short period with just a few blows and Zimmerman didn't have a chance. Just a possibility.
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I see no reason why knuckles would be damaged from punching someone in the nose or slamming someones head into the concrete

Please punch yourself in the nose really hard a few times and then post a picture of your knuckles so we can know for sure.
have never been in a scrap I didn't come away with a jammed finger, bloody knuckle or two, bout 15 years ago I broke my thumb on some idiots face. that did hurt for years. I'm not an agressive, but I don't take much to go.

I say this ****er is lying.

tell ya what, how about you test the theory this dude eff'd himself up by hitting your face on the pavement and then falling backward on your crown. see if you can imitate getting your nose broke. I expect a full report by morning.
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