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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 04-02-2012, 08:57 AM   #2401
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You're right and I'm glad you pointed that out. I just called the cops on some hispanic guy walking in front of my house. Looked mighty suspicious. 911 asked me to describe him and I told the dispatcher: "Sir, this guy is walking on concrete. I'm afraid he's going to smash my head against it."

Zimmerman was armed. Trayvon was not. That being the case, Zimmerman AGAIN had a duty to not provoke a situation where he would be forced to use his gun in self defense. By the way, Zimmerman claims this was on a grocery run. So you have to imagine a guy who packs heat to go to the grocery store, just in case there's a dangerous situation that unravels in the produce section as two black guys fight over onions. You are making a completely rash assumption that Martin's actions weren't in retaliation to a provocation on Zimmerman's part or as a matter of his own self defense. The only reason hands would come into play is if Zimmerman got into close enough range that Martin could reach him. And that's where the story gets dicey. Why did Zimmerman put himself in a situation at all where he could get into that range, as we know he was walking when Trayvon approached him, and Trayvon then ran away.
I don't really disagree with what you are saying here...except the bold part. I have my CCW and I carry. IF I am EVER in a situation where I actually have to pull my gun (a very very remote possibility) the odds are staggeringly against it happening while I am sitting comfy in my truck within easy reach of my gun sitting in the console. IF it ever happens to me it almost CERTAINLY will not happen while I'm sitting in my truck. it will happen on the street or in a store. so...my gun is always on me...not sitting in my console. I pray that noone here has to hide behind a CCW person for protection in the back of some store that's being robbed. unless you're a felon, get your damned CCW! WTF! go get in NOW. if "IT" never happens to you GREAT! if "IT" does happen to you...you have a chance. you can do something to protect yourself.
if I feel I'm in a life threatening situation in the produce section...if I feel you are ****ing with me or mine......I will be armed. I will do what I feel is necessary to protect me and mine. I don't see why some people seem to think I'm the nutty one. this is MERKA dammit!
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Old 04-02-2012, 09:29 AM   #2402
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which makes me think of the hot blonde witnesses comment. (man she's hot) she said she knew it wasn't Z because the screams/crying/whatever ceased as soon as the gun went off.

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Correction. She said it was M she heard, not Z.

And She's NOT hot, but we can disagree on that one.

C'mon April 10th!
right...we are saying the same thing....
went back and looked at the interview again....maybe I overstated. I forced myself to look above the neck line. I do think she's purty....
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Old 04-02-2012, 09:34 AM   #2403
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right...we are saying the same thing....
went back and looked at the interview again....maybe I overstated. I forced myself to look above the neck line. I do think she's purty....
Shite. Misread you, sorry.

And yeah she's not fugly, but certainly older than someone I'd ogle. My bud who's younger than me has a thing for older women. I think, "Dude you're in your twenties, fantasizing about 40 yr olds should be a rare thing."

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Old 04-02-2012, 09:48 AM   #2404
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Old 04-02-2012, 09:57 AM   #2405
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And again, in calling about Trayvon, it sure appears as if he got it absolutely wrong, as he was not on drugs and was unarmed.
How do you know that?
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Old 04-02-2012, 10:02 AM   #2406
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Experts are saying it wasn't Zimmerman yelling for help.
Experts? It's two hacks who probably ordered the equipment ( with a 48% accuracy) probably off ebay.



The media distortions are beyond absurd.
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Old 04-02-2012, 10:02 AM   #2407
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You're right and I'm glad you pointed that out. I just called the cops on some hispanic guy walking in front of my house. Looked mighty suspicious. 911 asked me to describe him and I told the dispatcher: "Sir, this guy is walking on concrete. I'm afraid he's going to smash my head against it."

Zimmerman was armed. Trayvon was not. That being the case, Zimmerman AGAIN had a duty to not provoke a situation where he would be forced to use his gun in self defense. By the way, Zimmerman claims this was on a grocery run. So you have to imagine a guy who packs heat to go to the grocery store, just in case there's a dangerous situation that unravels in the produce section as two black guys fight over onions. You are making a completely rash assumption that Martin's actions weren't in retaliation to a provocation on Zimmerman's part or as a matter of his own self defense. The only reason hands would come into play is if Zimmerman got into close enough range that Martin could reach him. And that's where the story gets dicey. Why did Zimmerman put himself in a situation at all where he could get into that range, as we know he was walking when Trayvon approached him, and Trayvon then ran away.
That's is a good point. How do you get close enough to someone you think is a drugged up felon without having control of the situation? It seems Zimmerman is says Martin was like Bruce Leroy and pounced like a ninja. More probable to me, Zimmerman met Martin with Z thinking he would have control of a skinny "drugged up" kid. At some point Zimmerman lost control of Martin and/or his own mind.

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How do you know that?
I'm pretty sure a toxicology said so. I read that before, or course we've read just about everything thinkable short of Martin was a martian!

Also alcohol is hard to get for kids. And even if had smoked pot, which I've never seen proof of, I've never met an "angry stoned person."
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Old 04-02-2012, 10:13 AM   #2409
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I've never met an "angry stoned person."
Another reason it should be legal.
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Another reason it should be legal.
Don't have to argue that to me. A policeman's job would be a hell of a lot easier responding to a hash bar that had dispute over nachos than bar dispute over girl between to beer goggled hard-ons.
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Don't have to argue that to me. A policeman's job would be a hell of a lot easier responding to a hash bar that had dispute over nachos than bar dispute over girl between to beer goggled hard-ons.
Um...this post doesn't make much sense...are you high right now?
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Old 04-02-2012, 10:58 AM   #2413
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Another reason it should be legal.
Also makes getting your head smacked into concrete not seem so bad.
Dude! Did you hear that?? It's my SKULL! huh huh huh

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Old 04-02-2012, 10:59 AM   #2414
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Thats all we need is more people who don't work and sit around the house playing the XBOX all day.
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Old 04-02-2012, 11:02 AM   #2415
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Of all the knuckles I've busted none of them has ever been from punching someone in the nose, it's too soft of a target.
I don't know where you guys learned to fight but I learned if I started swinging not to stop until the other person was either out or had quit fighting. I've never just hit someone just once in a fight and if the "attack" was what Zimmerman says it was then Trayvon would have hit him more than once too.
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