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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 04-13-2012, 07:09 PM   #2941
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The point wasn't to say that this case is trivial. The point was to say that the other cases seem to be trivial to some making a big deal about this one. It's a fair point to make, regardless of the uniqueness of this case.
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Old 04-13-2012, 07:12 PM   #2942
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Being frivolous about suits is one thing. I don't see the problem with being litigious in this case. The fact is that a kid was shot, and it's likely that a young man was almost beaten to death. The fact is that Zimmerman was patrolling the area, which falls under the scope of the Neighborhood Watch captain duty he was assigned. It's a more than reasonable conclusion that if not for Zimmerman carrying out his duties, Trayvon Martin may never have been shot.

If this happened and Zimmerman was not recognized by the HOA as a Neighborhood Watch captain, no problem. But if the HOA recognized him as a captain, they had a duty to make sure he was properly trained in procedures that could have very easily prevented what transpired. You made the comment once that you'd be pleased as punch to know that there was a guy watching over the neighborhood. What if Zimmerman was a pedophile? A serial murderer? A legitimate racist? Can you imagine how scary that would be to know a guy like that stalking underage kids?

They didn't do a background check. They didn't register him with the Neighborhood Watch (which would have likely led to a laundry list of procedures, including either a mandate that he not carry a gun or clear procedures on how a gun should be used). They made a big mistake.
Zimmerman wasn't assigned the captain position. It wasn't even a real neighborhood watch program.

He was just a guy that took it on his own. Many of the neighbors may have supported his actions, but I don't think there is anything that would suggest anyone other than Martin could be liable.
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Old 04-13-2012, 07:39 PM   #2943
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Zimmerman wasn't assigned the captain position. It wasn't even a real neighborhood watch program.

He was just a guy that took it on his own. Many of the neighbors may have supported his actions, but I don't think there is anything that would suggest anyone other than Martin could be liable.
So he's just some random guy walking around with a gun stalking the neighborhood?
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Old 04-13-2012, 07:43 PM   #2944
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Zimmerman wasn't assigned the captain position. It wasn't even a real neighborhood watch program.

He was just a guy that took it on his own. Many of the neighbors may have supported his actions, but I don't think there is anything that would suggest anyone other than Martin could be liable.
even if he were NW, the org would not be liable imo because he did not follow NW guidelines.

I think the point of his post is a much larger issue -- US police dept accountability has become a joke since the WOD and this episode illustrates the fact it has only gotten worse -- much worse.
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Old 04-14-2012, 12:11 AM   #2945
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US police dept accountability has become a joke since the WOD and this episode illustrates the fact it has only gotten worse
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Old 04-14-2012, 10:28 AM   #2946
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Old 04-14-2012, 12:00 PM   #2947
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I think the outrage is at the lack of caring on the part of the press. If it were reversed and a white supremacist organization were on the offensive making such statements, it would be bedlam. I hope you are right that nobody takes these guys seriously. I don't think anyone is going to go out and gun down Zimmerman, but this type of rhetoric serves to fuel the fires that start shit like the LA riots.
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Old 04-14-2012, 12:16 PM   #2948
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Old 04-14-2012, 12:21 PM   #2949
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This is an interesting point of view, on the subject.

"Double Standard: Black Men Named Trayvon Get Killed all the Time, But The Left Doesn't Care"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpUAF...&feature=share
Less than 5,000 Black people were killed by homicide in 2010. Nearly 1 million Black people however are incarcerated nationwide.

So which one is the 'bigger' problem???

The fact that Trayvon Martin had a statistically greater chance to be murdered by another Black youth, OR, that we live in a society where INSTITUTIONAL RACISM deems it unnecessary to arrest his admitted murderer on probable cause because his death was regarded as insignificant??

Conservatives throw out that Black-on-Black crime nonsense to suggest WHO CARES if a non-Black kills someone who is Black because THOSE PEOPLE are killing each other like it's going out of style.
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Black-on-Black crime nonsense
Does anybody not see the irony in this?
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Old 04-14-2012, 12:26 PM   #2951
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Does anybody really think the new black panther party has $10,000 dollars?
Jealous much ?
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Does anybody not see the irony in this?
what about white on white crime ?

where's the outrage in that ?

Every "race" is mostly killed by their "own". Blacks are the only ones who are being told to answer for it.
It's being poverty stricken and not only poverty stricken but feeling trapped by ones circumstance.
I'm not saying its an excuse but it is a reason.
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Jealous much?
Of what?
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Old 04-14-2012, 12:32 PM   #2954
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As I have said earlier in this thread, this is one of the reasons why integration never should've existed.
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Of what?
A "minority" possibly having more money than you ?

Just a thought.
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