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***Offical 2012 STL Cardinals World Champions Thread ***

St. Louis Cardinals: 7 reasons fans should feel good about 2012

Posted Wednesday, October 24, 2012, at 9:26 PM

St. Louis Cardinals fans are likely feeling deflated after the collapse that put an end to the team's dreams of a World Series repeat, but there is good reason to be excited.

With all of the odds against them, the Cardinals managed to push their 2012 season beyond any anticipated boundary.

Given all of the season's changes and the adversity the team had to fight through, the fact that they played in October at all was an anomaly in itself. On paper, it made sense for the Cardinals to be in the playoffs, but few saw them as a true threat.
As the season continued, even fans began to doubt as they watched the team seemingly crumble in June and July. When the Cardinals finally came to life in September they went 11-5 in the last 16 games of the season to lock up the second Wild Card position in its inaugural year.

That run, despite it's crushing end in Cincinnati in Game 7 of the National League Championship Series, lots of good came from the Cardinals' season and playoff run.
Following in no particular order are 10 reasons Cardinals fans have to be excited about the 2013 season.

Trevor Rosenthal
When rookie fireballer Trevor Rosenthal made his first trip to St. Louis, it was obvious almost instantly that he was something special.
Between his 100 mph fastball and the general inability for almost anyone to hit off of him, he became a huge part of the Cardinals playoff run.

He pitched in a total of 19 regular season games before the 22-year-old rookie from Lee's Summit, Mo. got his first taste of postseason baseball and he put on quite a show.
In 8.2 IP over seven postseason appearances, Rosenthal held opponents to only two hits and no runs.
It's possible that down the stretch he may have already earned his spot in the rotation for 2013.

Shelby Miller
The long-coveted fastball pitching prospect Shelby Miller also made his first trip to St. Louis in 2012 and put on a good show.
In 13.2 IP over six regular season games, Miller surrendered only two runs on nine hits. His postseason performance was more of the same with two runs on four hits in 3.2 IP.

Despite a dismal first half of the season in Memphis, Miller got himself together and still managed to make one major league start before the end of the season -- a very impressive start at that.
Against the Cincinnati Reds in the final game of the regular season, Miller posted 5.2 hitless innings. He gave up no runs and collected his first major league win.

Expect to see a lot more of Miller in St. Louis early in 2013.

Joe Kelly
When Joe Kelly made his major league debut on June 10, few could have guessed the importance he would play throughout the remainder of the 2012 season.
Kelly started 16 games for the Cardinals this season filling in for Jaime Garcia and Lance Lynn, but it was the postseason when he really came through for his teammates.

When starting pitchers struggled time and again in October, it was Kelly who came to their rescue.
In seven postseason appearances, Kelly threw 7.2 innings and surrendered only two runs on six hits. Kelly came through for the Cardinals from the bullpen.
There's a good chance that could be his home in the future.

Mike Matheny
When the Cardinals hired Mike Matheny to take over for Tony LaRussa, many question bringing in a manager with no experience to such a storied franchise.

He had a few hiccups and growing pains along the way, but for a rookie manager to get his team where Matheny did this year speaks volumes.
His players have a strong respect for Matheny and credit his positive style with being a driving force behind their 2012 success.
True, he didn't get them through the NLCS, but the team made it to an all or nothing Game 7. That's good experience for the players obviously, but also for Matheny. Not only did he learn a lot about managing in the media pressure cooker that is postseason baseball, he also got a taste of what it felt like to win as a manager.

NLCS loss means more drive to win
While the NLCS loss was a good lesson for a young manager, it's an even more important lesson for a young player.
The 2011 championship lit a fire under young players like Lance Lynn and Jon Jay. That fire helped drive them to extremely successful sophomore seasons.

What happened in 2012 will likely do the same for Rosenthal, Miller and Kelly. Their 2013 season may not be like Jay or Lynn's 2012, but now they've gotten a little taste of what it feels like to be a winner.

Both the excitement and the public humbling can be a great experience for any young player.

The run was without several key components
In a season riddled with injuries, none were as crucial as those late in the season.
The loss of Lance Berkman and Rafael Furcal significantly weakened the team's bench. Instead of having Pete Kozma, Allen Craig and Matt Carpenter to pinch hit, the team wound up having to use them in the lineup.

The loss of Jaime Garcia and Jake Westbrook also rocked the Cardinals. Instead of having Lynn and Westbrook also available from the bullpen, Lynn was pushed back into the rotation after a very successful NLDS bullpen stint.

Having gotten as deep into the playoffs as the Cardinals did in spite of the injuries is quite the accomplishment.

They did it without Pujols, LaRussa and Duncan
Few in the world of sports gave the Cardinals a fighting chance when Albert Pujols left the team to play on the west coast. Surely this team couldn't be as good as they were?

Few gave them a chance after longtime manager Tony LaRussa decided it was time to retire.
Few gave them a chance after pitching coach Dave Duncan left the team.
The Cardinals did it despite all of that. That's something any fan should be proud of.

No, they didn't hoist a trophy. There will be no parade or tickertape.
What there is, though, is hope for next year and that will come sooner than you may think.
After all, pitchers and catchers report to Spring Training in just four short months.

From a blog I was sent on twitter: http://www.dailystatesman.com/blogs/...es/entry/50051

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Old 04-18-2012, 08:28 PM   #406
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DJ, what can you tell me about Wong? I know you mentioned him the other night on here.



Yeah probably DL for Berkman. Might as well for now.
Wong reminds me a little of Jose Vidro. Gets the 'pro's pro' label quite a bit. Sound, compact, level swing with good gap power. Looks like he should be a plus defender (good range, not elite; same with his arm - makes up for it with quick hands).

At his best he should be a guy that gets talked about as a GG contender, but probably won't win one. Maybe a .310-.320 with 15 HRs and maybe 20 stolen bases.

Think of him as being a slightly more consistent version of Jon Jay as a hitter with a Tommy Herr style glove. Or hell, just call him Tommy Herr with more power.

He should be a fast riser; I'd expect him to man the pivot by the end of the 2014 season at the latest; perhaps even by mid 2013 if Descalso's bat doesn't come around and Wong hits his way into the picture in AAA.
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Old 04-18-2012, 09:47 PM   #407
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That sounds good.


We need to do something up the middle. Furcal ain't getting any younger, and while I like Descalso, I think he's ultimately a utility guy.
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Old 04-18-2012, 09:48 PM   #408
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On a positive note, **** this team can hit.
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This years team is head and shoulders better than it was a year ago at this time. The intire lineup can hit, the bullpen is an actual strength and the starting pitching has been very good.


Waino gets the ball tomorrow and will shut down the reds again and then the Pirates and cubs. This team could have a 7 - 10 game lead in the NL Central in another week.
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Waino gets the ball tomorrow and will shut down the reds again and then the Pirates and cubs. This team could have a 7 - 10 game lead in the NL Central in another week.
Milwaukee isn't going anywhere.
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Another win.


Lynn threw the ball well. Again.


Although some tough news, Berkmann had to go onto the DL. Hopefully its just a 15 dayer.


We need Craig to get healthy soon.
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Hard to believe that Wainwright has been tagged with three of our four losses. I'm sure he'll come around, though.

It would also be nice if he could get a little run support.
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Hard to believe that Wainwright has been tagged with three of our four losses. I'm sure he'll come around, though.

It would also be nice if he could get a little run support.
Its a process.
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Hard to believe that Wainwright has been tagged with three of our four losses. I'm sure he'll come around, though.

It would also be nice if he could get a little run support.
Small sample size but his peripherals look fine, either way you have to assume that that HR rate is unsustainable because its not like he's Ryan Franklin throwing BP fastballs to these guys.
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Hard to believe that Wainwright has been tagged with three of our four losses. I'm sure he'll come around, though.

It would also be nice if he could get a little run support.
The facts are most pitchers take 19 months to get back to normal. He still has 6 months to go.
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OMFG Holliday just go away please.
You need to ease up on Holliday. He's not going anywhere. We are wed together, for better or worse.

Holliday is what he is, he will end up hitting a non-clutch .300/20/102.
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You need to ease up on Holliday. He's not going anywhere. We are wed together, for better or worse.

Holliday is what he is, he will end up hitting a non-clutch .300/20/102.
He's A-Rod lite, minus the douche personality.
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I still dont get the Holliday hate.
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