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Old 05-02-2012, 12:05 PM  
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Junior Seau dead, probable suicide

North County Times reporting Seau "found dead by a housekeeper of a gunshot wound to the chest."

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Junior Seau Dead Cops Investigating Shooting

Cops are currently at Seau's home just outside San Diego. Seau was 43-years-old ... and leaves behind 3 kids and an ex-wife.

Seau was a beast in the NFL -- skyrocketing to fame thanks to his explosive play with the San Diego Chargers, Miami Dolphins and New England Patriots. The USC standout was selected in the first round of the NFL draft in 1990 and played in the league for 20 years.

Seau was involved in a car accident back in 2010 when he drove his SUV off a cliff in Carlsbad, CA hours after he was arrested for allegedly attacking his girlfriend. Seau later said he was not trying to kill himself ... insisting he had fallen asleep at the wheel.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/05/02/junior-seau-dead/

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Old 05-02-2012, 01:47 PM   #196
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Would this be a federal case?
A class action against the NFL would be. Even if it was initially brought in a state court, I think the NFL would want to move it to the federal courts, which has more benefits for corporate defendants. Higher burdens for allegations (the Iqbal standard, iirc).
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Old 05-02-2012, 01:48 PM   #197
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To play Devil's Advocate here DJ aren't we getting ahead of ourselves? How do we know this depression was caused by concussions in Seau's case and that he hasn't had depression in his life or maybe went through some things recently?
We don't know anything yet.

Really this has become an unfortunate tangent in the Seau thread. I should probably just let the Seau discussion go on its own.

But don't you think it's probably better than 50/50 that we end up finding some of that same repetitive force trauma in Saeu's dome that they found in the Bear's safeties? Or Webster's?

I don't think this is going to cripple the NFL by any means. Ultimately I think this will blow over just like everything else does (we love our football).

But I do think that the NFL is pretty smart to start preparing themselves for some kind of pretty direct assault.
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Old 05-02-2012, 01:48 PM   #198
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A class action against the NFL would be. Even if it was initially brought in a state court, I think the NFL would want to move it to the federal courts, which has more benefits for corporate defendants.
You anticipated the reasoning behind my question. What, do you study this stuff or something?
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Old 05-02-2012, 01:49 PM   #199
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Oh sure, juries will be juries. I was specifically referring to the apparent victimization that some here are affording the players. I would think that even the dimmest player in the NFL would strap on that helmet for the first time and think, "Hmmm, helmet eh? Is this dangerous and violent?"
I dunno. Young men are not good at calculating risk on stuff like this.

It does make me wonder, though, why guys like Dave Duerson and Mike Webster go down and guys like Willie Lanier and Jerry Kramer cruise into old age. Is it a hardwired risk of physiology that could one day be predicted, or did the Duerson/Webster cohort just take one unlucky hit that kickstarted an irreversible process?
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Old 05-02-2012, 01:52 PM   #200
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We don't know anything yet.

Really this has become an unfortunate tangent in the Seau thread. I should probably just let the Seau discussion go on its own.

But don't you think it's probably better than 50/50 that we end up finding some of that same repetitive force trauma in Saeu's dome that they found in the Bear's safeties? Or Webster's?

I don't think this is going to cripple the NFL by any means. Ultimately I think this will blow over just like everything else does (we love our football).

But I do think that the NFL is pretty smart to start preparing themselves for some kind of pretty direct assault.

I think it does but my friend who's in the medical science field has brought up some damn good points. How do we know this is all from concussions and not something like steroids or the lifestyles in some of these guys live? He said a basic fact of science: You cannot prove causality by linking two variables together.
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Old 05-02-2012, 01:53 PM   #201
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You anticipated the reasoning behind my question. What, do you study this stuff or something?
I avoided studying civil procedure like the plague. Dreadfully dull. But I think half of the semester's lectures were spent on the new Twombly/Iqbal standard under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure that plaintiffs get shafted with. That was hard to miss.
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Old 05-02-2012, 01:53 PM   #202
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Just like the woman that put a cup of coffee between her legs and suffered 2nd degree burns for it.

Sure, she put hot coffee where she shouldn't have, but McDonalds knew that the coffee was hot enough to cause burns leading to skin-grafs and did nothing about it.

A so called 'acceptance' of the risks here isn't going to get the NFL off the hook - it never gets the deepest pockets off the hook.

Juries do what they do. They'll see the faceless conglomerate of super-wealthy individuals that had concussion studies done and ignored and they'll compare those to the individual plaintiffs, be they players or the families of players that died.

Don't coach - bet. What you think the jury should do is irrelevant. What you claim you would do where you a 1-man jury is equally irrelevant (afterall, both you and veilpass would get your asses bounced from the pool). History tells us what the jury will do.

Ignore it at your own peril.
So why is the NFLPA not responsible for not looking out for their players health? Wouldn't that be THIER job? Isn't that the entire point of a Union?
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I think it does but my friend who's in the medical science field has brought up some damn good points. How do we know this is all from concussions and not something like steroids or the lifestyles in some of these guys live? He said a basic fact of science: You cannot prove causality by linking two variables together.
Only thing you need in a civil action is more likely than not. That's 50% + 1. Pretty low burden for billions of dollars, potentially.
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Old 05-02-2012, 01:56 PM   #204
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So why is the NFLPA not responsible for not looking out for their players health? Wouldn't that be THIER job? Isn't that the entire point of a Union?
You don't think the NFLPA is going to end up as a possible co-defendant?

It wouldn't surprise me for a minute.
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I avoided studying civil procedure like the plague. Dreadfully dull. But I think half of the semester's lectures were spent on the new Twombly/Iqbal standard under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure that plaintiffs get shafted with.
Good. Your country needs you to be an advocate for change in getting sweeping and effective Tort Reform enacted.
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How do they blame only the NFL when most of the players have played 5-8 years of football beginng in HS and going through college. I guess I shouldn't forget middle school. And alot of kids start playing organized football when they're 5-6 years old? Shit I played when I was 6. Are all the colleges going to get sued too? The BCS? Football runs deep in this country.
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I don't know about the legal aspect of it, but if they find brain trauma like they did with Duerson it can't be good. Especially with this bountygate stuff going on, and a coach telling players to affect the head. The crackdown on head contact will probably be even stronger.

It's definitely curious that Seau shot himself in the chest just like Duerson did.
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Mixed feelings about this. As a Chiefs fan, I hated Seau. He was a showboat, a rub your nose in it kind of guy. Held Gonzalez in pass coverage a lot, took late hits at guys like his pal Rodney Harrison.

From his behavior the last few years, sounds like he's either Roid Raged, Brain Damaged or both. Feel bad for his three kids.

DT didn't eat a shotgun blast. He was speeding on a slick patch of interstate and flipped the SUV he was driving. He was off to catch a flight at KCI. He had a lot to live for. And he died from a blood clot from his injuries a few days later. He didn't voluntarily off himself.

I'm sure San Diego will be wearing black "55s" on their jerseys this year. But I have a hard time feeling sorry for the guy. Ultimately, everything that you do will come back to you, as they say.
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Old 05-02-2012, 01:59 PM   #209
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he kicked our asses on many a sunday. what a shitty end. i was thinking... i can't say he was a good man because i didn't know him. chances are he was involved in many charities as most top tier NFL players are. In any case i admired his talent and loved to watch him play. he was damn good.
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Old 05-02-2012, 01:59 PM   #210
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I'd like to think the last thing that passed through his mind, other than that bullet, was how the hell Ray Lewis got the best of him...
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