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Old 05-02-2012, 12:05 PM  
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Junior Seau dead, probable suicide

North County Times reporting Seau "found dead by a housekeeper of a gunshot wound to the chest."

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Junior Seau Dead Cops Investigating Shooting

Cops are currently at Seau's home just outside San Diego. Seau was 43-years-old ... and leaves behind 3 kids and an ex-wife.

Seau was a beast in the NFL -- skyrocketing to fame thanks to his explosive play with the San Diego Chargers, Miami Dolphins and New England Patriots. The USC standout was selected in the first round of the NFL draft in 1990 and played in the league for 20 years.

Seau was involved in a car accident back in 2010 when he drove his SUV off a cliff in Carlsbad, CA hours after he was arrested for allegedly attacking his girlfriend. Seau later said he was not trying to kill himself ... insisting he had fallen asleep at the wheel.

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Old 05-02-2012, 02:00 PM   #211
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Only thing you need in a civil action is more likely than not. That's 50% + 1. Pretty low burden for billions of dollars, potentially.
Then let the NFL reach a settlement here and work with the court to enact measures to allow potential players to waive their right to sue in exchange for as many protective measures as can be allowed without negatively impacting the nature of the game.
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Old 05-02-2012, 02:01 PM   #212
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How do they blame only the NFL when most of the players have played 5-8 years of football beginng in HS and going through college. I guess I shouldn't forget middle school. And alot of kids start playing organized football when they're 5-6 years old? Shit I played when I was 6. Are all the colleges going to get sued too? The BCS? Football runs deep in this country.
The other thing - something that I think is all too easily dismissed when discussing football players - is a type of depression that is most common among entertainers, particularly child stars and musicians.

All of us stew about getting older. But most of us have no idea what it feels like to be on top of the world, rich and famous, and then suddenly one day it's no longer there simply because you aged.
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Old 05-02-2012, 02:01 PM   #213
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Old 05-02-2012, 02:02 PM   #214
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RIP Jr.

How do they blame only the NFL when most of the players have played 5-8 years of football beginng in HS and going through college. I guess I shouldn't forget middle school. And alot of kids start playing organized football when they're 5-6 years old? Shit I played when I was 6. Are all the colleges going to get sued too? The BCS? Football runs deep in this country.
NCAA is also bracing itself for a lawsuit. It's going to get ripped open and examined in the next few years. Malcolm Gladwell just wrote a piece about banning it. That might not be too hard if federal funds are tied into schools.
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Old 05-02-2012, 02:03 PM   #215
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I think it does but my friend who's in the medical science field has brought up some damn good points. How do we know this is all from concussions and not something like steroids or the lifestyles in some of these guys live? He said a basic fact of science: You cannot prove causality by linking two variables together.
And that would be the best argument to make.

The 'assumption of risk' argument will be bunk, IMO. A jury just isn't going to care. If you are able to prove that playing NFL football was the primary cause for increased mental illness, suicide rates, etc...; you're going to get a verdict.

But the toughest part will absolutely be showing that the NFL is the cause of it. I'm inclined to agree with you that there are some chemical connections to some of these issues (que Retardian to come in here spouting about how much smarter steroids make you) and that's going to be a clear point of contention.

There's your line in the sand, IMO. But the cigarette companies tried a similar approach when they argued that all links between thinks like emphysema and lung cancer were circumstantial (i.e. lots of people with lung cancer smoke but there's no scientific proof that the smoking caused the lung cancer) - and they pretty much got hammered on it. From what I've seen, they are technically accurate, but the circumstantial evidence (cancer rates among smokers, etc...) was just so overwhelming that it was a no-brainer loss.

If the circumstantial evidence keeps getting worse, the argument's just going to get harder to make.
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Old 05-02-2012, 02:04 PM   #216
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The other thing - something that I think is all too easily dismissed when discussing football players - is a type of depression that is most common among entertainers, particularly child stars and musicians.

All of us stew about getting older. But most of us have no idea what it feels like to be on top of the world, rich and famous, and then suddenly one day it's no longer there simply because you aged.
"top of the world" is a state of mind. It happens to all of us.
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Old 05-02-2012, 02:06 PM   #217
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I avoided studying civil procedure like the plague. Dreadfully dull. But I think half of the semester's lectures were spent on the new Twombly/Iqbal standard under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure that plaintiffs get shafted with. That was hard to miss.
Those are mostly pleading problems though.

I can't see how a suit along these lines wouldn't survive a Mx to dismiss. From there, it's just going to be the standard preponderance requirements.

I guess it could come into play here, but I really don't see how Twombly would really make an impact.
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Millions of dollars and dozens of groupies does NOT happen to all of us.
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True, but if it happens to you all the time, you get used to it, and then it's just the same old same old.

I remember the conversation I had with the guy who installed my home alarm system - he lived with a smoking hot bisexual nymphomaniac - every night she'd go out and bring home a different gorgeous woman and they'd have three-way sex all night long. He said he was sick of it. Just wanted to have regular sex and get some sleep. Part of me wanted to ****ing kill him, but the other part saw his point.
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Old 05-02-2012, 02:10 PM   #221
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Never liked him as a player, but this is still a sad story.

I'd like to see if this was related to concussions/ brain damage / roids / etc....

Did Seau have a history of concussion problems?
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Those are mostly pleading problems though.

I can't see how a suit along these lines wouldn't survive a Mx to dismiss. From there, it's just going to be the standard preponderance requirements.

I guess it could come into play here, but I really don't see how Twombly would really make an impact.
Well, my understanding is just that it's completely changed the ballgame for litigants, and that initial hurdle is like a 12 foot canyon now.

I agree though, that a suit, especially a class action suit with the NFLPA would be able to take that on, much better than your average litigant. Especially when, as I see it, your evidence is pretty strong.

Just some things to think about. Kind of interesting. Not interesting enough for me to want to practice civil litigation in the federal courts, though.
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Old 05-02-2012, 02:12 PM   #224
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I'd like to think the last thing that passed through his mind, other than that bullet, was how the hell Ray Lewis got the best of him...
not funny. even though he shot himself in the chest.
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Old 05-02-2012, 02:12 PM   #225
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True, but if it happens to you all the time, you get used to it, and then it's just the same old same old.

I remember the conversation I had with the guy who installed my home alarm system - he lived with a smoking hot bisexual nymphomaniac - every night she'd go out and bring home a different gorgeous woman and they'd have three-way sex all night long. He said he was sick of it. Just wanted to have regular sex and get some sleep. Part of me wanted to ****ing kill him, but the other part saw his point.
Yeah, I could see how that could get old after, say, a couple of hundred years.
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