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Old 05-01-2012, 11:00 AM  
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2013 QB Prospects

Below are no fewer than SIX quarterbacks to which I've given either "1st round" or "borderline 1st" grades.

Tyler Wilson, Arkansas

Logan Thomas, Virginia Tech

Matt Barkley, USC

Tyler Bray, Tennessee (relatively unlikely he declares)

Aaron Murray, Georgia (relatively unlikely he declares)

Landry Jones, Oklahoma


Now it should be noted: with the rookie wage scale, it's preferable for QB prospects to just get into the pros whenever they can, rather than biding their time and trying to compete for a Top 5 selection. The Top 5 used to mean you were in a top 10% earner in the NFL. Now it doesn't mean much over somebody like Tannehill's #8 spot, financially.

QB hungry teams in 2013 are bolded.

Patriots -- Brady/Mallett
Bills -- Fitzpatrick
Jets -- Sanchez/Tebow
Dolphins -- Tannehill

Browns -- Weeden
Steelers -- Rothlisberger
Ravens -- Flacco
Bengals -- Dalton

Colts -- Luck
Texans -- Schaub
Jaguars -- Gabbert/Henne
Titans -- Hasselbeck/Locker

Chiefs -- Cassel
Chargers -- Rivers
Broncos -- Manning/Osweiler
Raiders -- Palmer

Cowboys -- Romo
Giants -- Manning
Redskins -- Griffin
Eagles -- Vick

Packers -- Rodgers
Vikings -- Ponder
Lions -- Stafford
Bears -- Cutler

Panthers -- Newton
Falcons -- Ryan
Buccaneers -- Freeman
Saints -- Brees

Cardinals -- Kolb
Rams -- Bradford
49ers -- Smith/Kaepernick
Seahawks -- Flynn/Wilson

6 teams that will need a QB. Maybe eight if you buy the idea that the Cowboys or Eagles could be shopping for a new one.

So assuming at least half of those QBs declare, which is a relatively conservative bet, my prediction is that the Chiefs will be drafting a new quarterback in 2013. Even if it means having to trade up for one.
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Old 05-03-2012, 01:11 PM   #61
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1. They're not going to franchise Albert. Albert is an above average LT, and is a fine young player, but will not command that sort of money. They'll re-sign him.
2. They won't franchise Brady Quinn, even if he takes the job and makes the pro-bowl. IF those things should come to pass, Quinn would be an idiot to leave and go somewhere else. He's waited too long for a good situation, he'd be a moron to leave one. He'll sign to a reasonable deal. No way any of this happens anyway.
3. Dorsey may very well walk; He's been a good player, but not franchise DE money good. You don't give a 3-4 end Freeney money. given a choice, they'll sign Jackson and let Dorsey walk.
You have a draft and FA to replace ONE guy. We're in good cap shape. No reason to freak out, but by all means, go ahead.
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Old 05-03-2012, 01:27 PM   #62
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Correction: I'm just high. I thought all players 3rd round and later only got 3-year contracts. My bad.

Guys who will be free agents in 2013 according to Rotoworld:

Brandon Albert
Jovan Belcher
Dwayne Bowe (if he only signs the 1-year franchise tag)
Dustin Colquitt
Travis Daniels
Glenn Dorsey
Thomas Gafford
Peyton Hillis
Ryan Lilja
Jake O'Connell
Brady Quinn
Jacques Reeves
Brandon Siler
Donald Washington

And that doesn't include Tyson Jackson, who needs to get restructured next year apparently.

Lists like this look nasty every year I realize. If we organize it like this:

Guys who are very valuable to the team and could come with a pricetag more than we're willing to pay:

Brandon Albert
Dwayne Bowe (possibly)
Dustin Colquitt
Glenn Dorsey

Guys we want to keep around and shouldn't be too difficult to get re-signed:

Jovan Belcher
Travis Daniels
Thomas Gafford

Guys we don't need but if they come cheap, eh, why not:

Peyton Hillis
Ryan Lilja
Brady Quinn
Brandon Siler

Garbage players nobody wants and who deserve to rot Barry Richardson-style:

Jake O'Connell
Jacques Reeves
Donald Washington

I think if we let go of two of the first four names and four of the first seven in those categories, we can all say it: Pioli is a ****up loser.
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If we don't re-sign Dustin Colquitt I will do very very bad things
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Old 05-03-2012, 01:38 PM   #64
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Old 05-03-2012, 01:46 PM   #65
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There was a lot of mistakes in this past draft by the Chiefs:

- Poe over Brockers or DeCastro (assuming they picked Allen in the second to play guard).

- Not getting either Konz in the second, Molk in the seventh or Brewster/Garner in free agency when they were available hoping that either Hudson or Lilja is going to transition to the center spot is borderline retarded.

- Overdrafting Allen and Stephenson to hope one of them beats out Albert and then moving whoever is left over to guard.

- Picking up another McCluster in the fourth over Ta'amu or Chapman. (If they wanted NT depth, take the freakin' guys who actually were accomplished nose tackles versus a total project in the first.)

It was a massively shitty draft and very questionable decisions on need/personnel were made.
i agree with the spirit of this, if not all the particulars

the draft was weirdly arrogant...we're so strong we can pick projects, switch positions, wait 2-3 years for players to develop....

this draft would have made more sense to me if we were a team with a franchise QB coming off a deep playoff run...for a 7-9 squad with shit and dick at the QB position and no playoff win in decades, it seems complacent

i think we'll see the most immediate contributions from our 5th and 6th round picks
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Old 05-03-2012, 01:49 PM   #66
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I figure that Bowe will get done before the season starts. Colquitt, Albert and Belcher will get done after this season. Dorsey will be gone.
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Old 05-03-2012, 01:51 PM   #67
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I figure that Bowe will get done before the season starts. Colquitt, Albert and Belcher will get done after this season. Dorsey will be gone.
I'm okay with that.
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Old 05-03-2012, 02:04 PM   #68
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I'm okay with that.
Who plays DE?
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Old 05-03-2012, 02:09 PM   #69
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Who plays DE?
Bailey or somebody we find in the draft next year or free agency.

I don't see a solution to the problem unless Dorsey is cool with a crap contract.

I'm "cool" with this simply because we get really important players signed, and only one is left out. And in my opinion, Dorsey is the most expendable considering his proposed contract value.
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Who plays DE?
Shaun Rogers...or someone else just like him.

To find a guy that does what Dorsey does will be extremely easy. To find a guy that can do what Dorsey does and actually contribute on passing plays would be extremely hard.

It's the marginal improvements over Dorsey that get expensive, not Dorsey himself. Dorsey is essentially a base Mustang. He's handy to have, kinda fun at times, but mostly incredibly replaceable and not much more than his name. You can get one for the cost of a 4-door sedan.

Whereas someone like Brockers or even Jackson really, well they're something like a Tesla roadster. They may be great...or they may suck ass. Either way, you're going to pay a lot for the privilege of finding out. Then there are the Seymours of the world - welcome to the Italian exotic prices.

We can go ahead and let the base Mustang walk - there are plenty of used Camrys we can get to do the job.
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Old 05-03-2012, 02:19 PM   #71
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Bailey or somebody we find in the draft next year or free agency.

I don't see a solution to the problem unless Dorsey is cool with a crap contract.

I'm "cool" with this simply because we get really important players signed, and only one is left out. And in my opinion, Dorsey is the most expendable considering his proposed contract value.
It was bad planning by KC not take someone in this years draft, even a later pick like Billy Winn. I can see Pioli salivating at using another 1st rounder on the DL.
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Starting to see why I liked Brockers yet?

Hell, even Still in the 2nd would've been nice.

Not grabbing a legitimate threat to replace Jackson/Dorsey in this draft was a mistake.
I definitely saw it back when you supported it. I was on the Devon Still train before he dropped like a goddamn rock.
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It was bad planning by KC not take someone in this years draft, even a later pick like Billy Winn. I can see Pioli salivating at using another 1st rounder on the DL.
Although it was late in the draft they did draft what amounts to a 5-tech.
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I can see Jovan Belcher being the 2012 version of Brandon Carr.

People really undervalue him, and will begin to see just how really good he is as he continues to improve.

Then everyone will be pissed when he walks, acting as though they were Belcher supoorters all along.
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Old 05-06-2012, 09:48 AM   #75
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I can see Jovan Belcher being the 2012 version of Brandon Carr.

People really undervalue him, and will begin to see just how really good he is as he continues to improve.

Then everyone will be pissed when he walks, acting as though they were Belcher supoorters all along.
Way undervalue him. Belcher has got better every single season, has excellent ball instincts and has really taken to playing the middle after being on the edge in college. He really has a feel for the game and he absolutely brings the lumber. People simply don't understand the role of the MLB in this system, so they don't see the impact of Belchers game.

As well, I think the casual fan simply looks at the Chiefs roster and sees a 226 lb. listing and thinks that he's too small to play the MLB in a 34, when, in actuallity, the guy was 246 at his college pro day and played last year at 255. (I still can't figure out why the Chiefs are sandbagging his weight.)

He's also a lot more athletic that people think. He was an OLB and DE for Maine who was quite adept at getting to the quarterback. He was also a three time All-American wrestler at the prep level and played damn near every position on his high school football team on both sides of the ball. Again, the problem is that he's not asked to be the open field roamer. He's the guy who blows up guards getting to the ball carrier. And he does that quite effectively.

He's one of the better Mike backers in the league and I wholely agree with the Brandon Carr comparison.

I hope that the Chiefs get a long term deal done with Belcher and not allow him to explore the open market. Someone is going to pay the guy.
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