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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 05-17-2012, 11:15 AM   #3301
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WTF are you talking about? I'm not talking about getting raped just because she is a woman...it's never her fault then, idiot. I'm responding to specifically what he said about being provocatively dressed.
Just talking with you, no need to name call. Maybe you could re-read what I said, it doesn't appear you took the intended meaning from it.
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Old 05-17-2012, 12:03 PM   #3302
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Just talking with you, no need to name call. Maybe you could re-read what I said, it doesn't appear you took the intended meaning from it.
True. I know what you said, and I understood. But he can be mentally deranged and not know which one to choose until he sees the one provocatively dressed. And in that sense ,the blame falls partially on her. I know that almost never happens but still.
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Old 05-17-2012, 12:07 PM   #3303
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All those saying Zim was looking for a confrontation and therefore this was his fault, would you say the same to a provocatively dressed woman who was raped that it was partially her fault?

End of the day, you don't attack someone who is smaller than you just for following you around. You get physical and all bets are off. Judging from the actual facts (injury reports) it's fair to say that Zim was getting his ass kicked and did what he had to do to defend himself.
Look at his track record. He has a history of getting in scuffles and clearly has some anger issues. Either he's really unlucky or maybe he invites fights. Im going for the latter.

Secondly, the he was on duty and was specifically told never to pursue a suspect. Being trained and on duty, he had an extra degree of care.

Again, it does not justify Trayvon's reaction. But to me it seems to me like you have an ordinary citizen and the wrong guy trying to be police when he was specifically told not to.
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Old 05-17-2012, 12:09 PM   #3304
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True. I know what you said, and I understood. But he can be mentally deranged and not know which one to choose until he sees the one provocatively dressed. And in that sense ,the blame falls partially on her. I know that almost never happens but still.
I see your point. Where we might differ is that I don't see rape as an act of sexual attraction.
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Old 05-17-2012, 12:25 PM   #3305
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I see your point. Where we might differ is that I don't see rape as an act of sexual attraction.
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Old 05-17-2012, 12:28 PM   #3306
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Old 05-17-2012, 12:35 PM   #3307
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Look at his track record. He has a history of getting in scuffles and clearly has some anger issues. Either he's really unlucky or maybe he invites fights. Im going for the latter.

Secondly, the he was on duty and was specifically told never to pursue a suspect. Being trained and on duty, he had an extra degree of care.

Again, it does not justify Trayvon's reaction. But to me it seems to me like you have an ordinary citizen and the wrong guy trying to be police when he was specifically told not to.
I don't know where your are getting this absolute certainty about his training...seriously, where is that story? I haven't read that anywhere except this thread.
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Old 05-17-2012, 12:49 PM   #3308
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I don't know where your are getting this absolute certainty about his training...seriously, where is that story? I haven't read that anywhere except this thread.
yeah, i don't recall any news story that says he was "trained" to be a nw guy...

i saw one story early on that described him as a self-appointed neighborhood watchman...
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yeah, i don't recall any news story that says he was "trained" to be a nw guy...

i saw one story early on that described him as a self-appointed neighborhood watchman...
Yep, everything I can find says he wasn't a part of any organized watch group in which he received training. Just a guy watching a neighborhood. I think CZ is pulling shit out of his ass.
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No matter how anyone spins the story, it's very hard to believe that Zimmerman got out of his car with any objective in mind but to start a confrontation. I'm not saying he wanted to get in a fight. But it sure seems like he wanted to confront him.

It's also very hard to believe that Trayvon didn't overreact to Zimmerman and acted wildly inappropriately.

There is enough public evidence to show that both did things they should not have done.
I completely agree. Nobody and I mean nobody has a gun and does not think it is in play in this situation. Simple question, does anyone think he leaves his vehicle if he was not armed in this situation? For my own part I think if unarmed he calls the cops and remains in his vehicle. I also think there is a very good chance that a young guy who is not scared of fighting jumped at the chance to kick the shit out of someone he thought was confronting him, or at least had the nerve to question what he was doing. If I was walking through a neighborhood and some want to be Wyatt Earp started asking me a bunch of questions it would piss me off also. I am pretty sure when I was his aged the thought of kicking the guys ass would have crossed my mind also~
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All those saying Zim was looking for a confrontation and therefore this was his fault, would you say the same to a provocatively dressed woman who was raped that it was partially her fault?
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Yes it is partially her fault.
If youre a hot chick and/or have big luscious milk cannons, then you need to be walking around in a flour sack or someones gonna whip out Harry and the Hendersons on your fine ass. You feel me? Everybody knows that a hot chick in provocative clothing is destined to meet some random strangers gristle missle. Hes gonna wanna do some meat wrench work on you. DUH!
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Old 05-17-2012, 02:39 PM   #3313
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I completely agree. Nobody and I mean nobody has a gun and does not think it is in play in this situation. Simple question, does anyone think he leaves his vehicle if he was not armed in this situation? For my own part I think if unarmed he calls the cops and remains in his vehicle. I also think there is a very good chance that a young guy who is not scared of fighting jumped at the chance to kick the shit out of someone he thought was confronting him, or at least had the nerve to question what he was doing. If I was walking through a neighborhood and some want to be Wyatt Earp started asking me a bunch of questions it would piss me off also. I am pretty sure when I was his aged the thought of kicking the guys ass would have crossed my mind also~
yup totally agree. if it was me, I WOULD be armed and no friggin way I would have got out of the car. the kid didn't even DO anything for God's sake!!! but then again.....I'm not a ****ing MORON! I can see Z not getting any time out of this....but he is a retard.
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Looks like Zimmerman was right when he said Martin looked like he might be on drugs.
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Yep, everything I can find says he wasn't a part of any organized watch group in which he received training. Just a guy watching a neighborhood. I think CZ is pulling shit out of his ass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITiCsugqoN4

He wasn't registered as Neighborhood Watch. We all know that. But it was broadcasted widely that he was basically a guy on patrol, and the police gave him a clear briefing and training about what that duty entailed (and what it didn't entail).

The Powerpoint presentation has been pulled down (big surprise). But there was a slide that was shown to George Zimmerman that clearly said that he is the eyes and ears of the police, and he was not to pursue anyone suspicious. I posted it earlier in this thread.
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