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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 05-17-2012, 09:30 PM   #3331
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Zimmerman will be found not guilty.
Depends on the jury pool and depends on if he is also charged with manslaughter or the lesser sentence is allowed.
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Old 05-17-2012, 09:37 PM   #3332
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What's there to avoid? The lead investigator thought he should be charged with manslaughter. That is pretty damning.

As I stated earlier the prosecutor in this case is very tough and good and I imagine she has some kind of evidence that is incriminating that we don't know about yet.
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Old 05-17-2012, 09:38 PM   #3333
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I don't think anybody's surprised that Zimmerman was acting in self defense. For that, he'll probably be found not guilty. It's sad that there were people denying that and still are.

But on the flip side, it's still legit to ask why Zimmerman was pursuing in the first place. And I think it's equally sad that there are people pumping over $100,000 to defend this guy.

I think this case is really showing an ugly side of race from both sides.
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Old 05-17-2012, 09:42 PM   #3334
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I don't think anybody's surprised that Zimmerman was acting in self defense. For that, he'll probably be found not guilty. It's sad that there were people denying that and still are.

But on the flip side, it's still legit to ask why Zimmerman was pursuing in the first place. And I think it's equally sad that there are people pumping over $100,000 to defend this guy.

I think this case is really showing an ugly side of race from both sides.
I don't know if it is self defense if you start it then get your ass kicked. I guess that is where the case will be decided.
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Old 05-17-2012, 09:43 PM   #3335
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What's there to avoid? The lead investigator thought he should be charged with manslaughter. That is pretty damning.

As I stated earlier the prosecutor in this case is very tough and good and I imagine she has some kind of evidence that is incriminating that we don't know about yet.
Apparently Zimmerman's cell phone records will be released. And club house footage. I think everybody agrees that Zimmerman shot Trayvon in self defense. But it sure does seem like Zimmerman's story keeps changing and getting more inconsistent, and I have a feeling when everything comes to light, Zimmerman's recap of the events preceding the fight are going to look really shaky.

Again, don't think that's enough to find Zimmerman guilty. But I think he's going to look bad.
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Old 05-17-2012, 10:13 PM   #3336
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Old 05-17-2012, 10:16 PM   #3337
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yeah, i don't recall any news story that says he was "trained" to be a nw guy...

i saw one story early on that described him as a self-appointed neighborhood watchman...
If Zimmerman had been a gangbanger this story might have gotten 28 seconds of national pub before moving on.
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I don't know if it is self defense if you start it then get your ass kicked. I guess that is where the case will be decided.
Thats why zimmerman will not be found guilty of murder, or even manslaughter.....

Asking someone what theyre doing on your block is not starting violence......If trayvon martin didnt throw the 1st punch, he would still be alive.

Your statement actually IS correct....whoever 'started' it is in the wrong. Do they (jury) define 'starting it' with words or violence? I doubt they will agree with your view that it is cool to punch people for speaking words, but hey juries have surprised me before....
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Old 05-18-2012, 12:56 AM   #3340
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Thats why zimmerman will not be found guilty of murder, or even manslaughter.....

Asking someone what theyre doing on your block is not starting violence......If trayvon martin didnt throw the 1st punch, he would still be alive.

Your statement actually IS correct....whoever 'started' it is in the wrong. Do they (jury) define 'starting it' with words or violence? I doubt they will agree with your view that it is cool to punch people for speaking words, but hey juries have surprised me before....
From a jury standpoint, yes. He'll be found not guilty.

But if we're forming opinions, let's be real here. Zimmerman's track record and given how pissed he was on the 911 call, I'm sure that he didn't ask if Trayvon had a problem. I'm sure it was said a little differently. Given that he apparently stalked a man all the way to his house in the past, it would not surprise anyone if he was over-aggressively pursuing Trayvon too.

What still gets me is that his story never seems to hang together. I read that at the time of the crime, he claimed Trayvon was circling his car so he got out, nevermind that Zimmerman's phone call indicates things went a little differently. Then he claimed he was just leaving the car to look for a house #. I'm sure the surveillance videos will show yet another story. His cell phone records yet another. He claimed he was walking back to his car, and yet it sure seems like he was clearly going into the courtyard to pursue further. It seems like he's trying to patch the story in a way that fits, rather than tell the truth.

Like I've said before, either he is very unlucky and has trouble come to him, or you can believe that he invites trouble and maybe we shouldn't be surprised that it caught up to him this time. Shame on Trayvon for the way he snapped, but Zimmerman really seems to be doing a bit of a dance about the events leading up to the scuffle.
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How is this an Obama issue?
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From a jury standpoint, yes. He'll be found not guilty.

But if we're forming opinions, let's be real here. Zimmerman's track record and given how pissed he was on the 911 call, I'm sure that he didn't ask if Trayvon had a problem. I'm sure it was said a little differently. Given that he apparently stalked a man all the way to his house in the past, it would not surprise anyone if he was over-aggressively pursuing Trayvon too.

What still gets me is that his story never seems to hang together. I read that at the time of the crime, he claimed Trayvon was circling his car so he got out, nevermind that Zimmerman's phone call indicates things went a little differently. Then he claimed he was just leaving the car to look for a house #. I'm sure the surveillance videos will show yet another story. His cell phone records yet another. He claimed he was walking back to his car, and yet it sure seems like he was clearly going into the courtyard to pursue further. It seems like he's trying to patch the story in a way that fits, rather than tell the truth.

Like I've said before, either he is very unlucky and has trouble come to him, or you can believe that he invites trouble and maybe we shouldn't be surprised that it caught up to him this time. Shame on Trayvon for the way he snapped, but Zimmerman really seems to be doing a bit of a dance about the events leading up to the scuffle.
Travon's girlfriend undermines your theory. She says that the man who was following Travon asked him what he was doing around there. That doesn't sound over-aggressive to me.
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New to the thread? He inserted himself into the story with his comments about how Travon is a dark skinned man just like himself. Apparently, that heightens his degree of empathy.
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From a jury standpoint, yes. He'll be found not guilty.

But if we're forming opinions, let's be real here. Zimmerman's track record and given how pissed he was on the 911 call, I'm sure that he didn't ask if Trayvon had a problem. I'm sure it was said a little differently. Given that he apparently stalked a man all the way to his house in the past, it would not surprise anyone if he was over-aggressively pursuing Trayvon too.

What still gets me is that his story never seems to hang together. I read that at the time of the crime, he claimed Trayvon was circling his car so he got out, nevermind that Zimmerman's phone call indicates things went a little differently. Then he claimed he was just leaving the car to look for a house #. I'm sure the surveillance videos will show yet another story. His cell phone records yet another. He claimed he was walking back to his car, and yet it sure seems like he was clearly going into the courtyard to pursue further. It seems like he's trying to patch the story in a way that fits, rather than tell the truth.

Like I've said before, either he is very unlucky and has trouble come to him, or you can believe that he invites trouble and maybe we shouldn't be surprised that it caught up to him this time. Shame on Trayvon for the way he snapped, but Zimmerman really seems to be doing a bit of a dance about the events leading up to the scuffle.
Have you listened to the 911 call? IMO, he didn't sound pissed to me, he sounded like slow poke rodriguez off the speedy gonzalez cartoon.
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