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Old 04-01-2012, 03:23 PM  
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Game of Thrones *Spoiler* Thread

There's been some recent confusion with the old spoiler thread, so I'm kicking off a new one for tonight's premiere. This is going to be the one for folks who've read all the books. So anything anybody might want to talk about is in bounds. Suffice to say, if you haven't read the books, you'll probably want to stay out of here until you do...

I'll bump the old spoiler-free thread shortly in case anybody's interested. For future reference the link to that one is here
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Old 05-19-2012, 02:37 PM   #346
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Old 05-19-2012, 07:56 PM   #347
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Old 05-20-2012, 08:16 PM   #348
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Old 05-20-2012, 09:18 PM   #349
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It really hit me watching tonight's episode just how much tragedy they're setting people up for next year.
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Old 05-20-2012, 09:33 PM   #350
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It really hit me watching tonight's episode just how much tragedy they're setting people up for next year.
Yup. So many of the differences between books and show is about character development to make things more impactful later, imo.

I mean... what would happen with the critics and viewers if Robb just went off, disappeared for a while, and came back married to Jeyne Westerling, with the entire courtship happening off screen? It wouldn't fly.
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Old 05-21-2012, 05:43 AM   #351
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Yeah, making Robb a viewpoint character is going to make all of that hurt so much more.

That wasn't all though. Shea and Tyrion, the whole time I'm watching, I'm thinking "that poor guy". Jamie and Brienne when they get on the boat, and how (I hope) he's as much a sympathetic character on the show after all this as he is in the books; he's to me by far the best character arc of the books just in terms of how much he changes (or my perception of him changes). But bad shit happens to both of them... And then Jon and Ygritte. That one's going to hurt in the end.

They're going to have to do something I think with the TV series to balance out all the sadness that's on the horizon. They'll either have to amplify little moments to make them feel like larger victories, or create some new things. There's going to come a point where it's going to be sort of like having Ned Stark die every week.

Course that's all next year, they have plenty of time to figure it out.
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Old 05-21-2012, 07:44 AM   #352
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Yeah, there will be plenty of butthurt next season. Hell, I sat the book down for a while after several instances, heh.
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Old 05-21-2012, 09:03 AM   #353
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Not as action packed, but I still liked it.

Arya and Jaqen's scene was awesome, her shrug made me laugh out loud.

Loved Stannis and Davos talking about the onion knight story. Stannis is growing on me.

I liked Robb's story about Ned and his teachings. I enjoyed the Talisa story about her brother too and thought it played nicely into the slavery issue that will be big next season. And I really enjoyed seeing her lovely tush!

Tyrion was great. Thought it was funny how they showed that Cersei is never as clever in her scehemes as she thinks she is. More of that to come. Any conversation between Tyrion and Varys is excellent to me. And Joffrey vs. Stannis. Ha!

Theon and Yara/Asha were good, I liked that they gave her some sisterly feelings toward him. Thought the Bran reveal was good. Luwin spies Osha and then takes a closer look at the burned boides.

North of the wall is still the weakest part of the story adaptation. But Sam finding the dragonglass made me happy, means we will get to see Sam the Slayer I think! I don't even mind the Halfhand being less well developed as I think it would have been a little jarring for viewers to have Jon kill him if they had developed him too much. And I am happy that they appear to be heading back to having Jon kill him, which had me worried for a time there that they would exclude that part.

But the part that really bothers me is that they didn't explore Bran's dream and Jon's warging. I think that is a big miss for me. Jon needs to ne a warg, plus that is one of the reasons that the wildlings accept him in. I hope they fix that, but don't see how they will have time in two episodes given all that has to happen with the Blackwater battle and the house of undying an Arya escaping, etc.

Overall, I liked that they spent more time on dialogue that explains stories or characters. Next week will pack plenty of action. Sometimes you need to slow down and have some dialog, and this episode was the right time to do it with next week's episode on the horizon. Bring on the Blackwater!

P.S. The chain is out (would have been a hard scene to film), but with GRRM writing this episode, I feel like he will have something in store to make Tyrion look smart and brave as he did in the book.
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Old 05-21-2012, 09:36 AM   #354
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Much like with the books, the scenes north of the wall are my favorite part of the show. I never had any question or concern about what would happen with the halfhand. And I've always felt that the warg stuff with Jon was much more ancillary than it was with Bran, so it doesn't bother me all that much that we haven't seen much sign of it. And it's always possible that they could introduce it now. It does seem odd that we haven't seen much of Ghost since Ygritte showed up.

You left out one of my favorite parts of the show: Brienne and the Kingslayer. I thought they really nailed that.
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Old 05-21-2012, 09:53 AM   #355
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I think overall they are still doing a great job, even the parts that are straying from the book.

EXCEPT Robb's little girlfriend. YAWN, almost fell asleep during her pointless speech. Just kill her already.
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Old 05-21-2012, 09:57 AM   #356
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I don't remember her (well, jeyne westerling) ever actually being killed in the books. I think there's even a theory that the Blackfish smuggled her out during the siege because she was carrying Robb's heir.
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Old 05-21-2012, 10:09 AM   #357
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I don't remember her (well, jeyne westerling) ever actually being killed in the books. I think there's even a theory that the Blackfish smuggled her out during the siege because she was carrying Robb's heir.

Yeah, she is fine still at this point. Well..fine as far as a new widow could be.
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Jeyne is still alive in the books, though whether she is carrying Robb's heir remains a mystery.

Yes, Jaime and Brienne were great, their scenes together going forward should be entertaining.
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I think overall they are still doing a great job, even the parts that are straying from the book.

EXCEPT Robb's little girlfriend. YAWN, almost fell asleep during her pointless speech. Just kill her already.
Please don't kill her, just have her get naked at least once per episode!
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I don't remember her (well, jeyne westerling) ever actually being killed in the books. I think there's even a theory that the Blackfish smuggled her out during the siege because she was carrying Robb's heir.
yeah jeyne isnt killed but this isnt jeyne, they changed the character for some reason. Probably to make her more interesting, and failed.

One thing I didnt know is that shes Charlie Chaplins granddaughter
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