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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 05-21-2012, 11:04 AM   #3421
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How very noble! It’s almost as if you’re insinuating that we carriers are kinda…dumb or something? Look, sorry if I’ve misconstrued your intent here, but your post really rubbed me the wrong way.
You chose a reply from an ongoing conversation to be offended. As far as people who are employed in occupations that lead them to dangerous situations, of course they should be armed. Below is the start of the conversation:
“I certainly am not in the Martin camp. However the kid he killed life is ruined. Zimmerman can move on and rebuild his life. It pisses me off that this will lead to riots, and that worthless shitbags took advantage of this situation. That said I hope those who choose to pack a gun grasp that doing so can lead to something like this. I have no issue with the right to carry, nor the right to defend yourself. I do pickup a cowboy attitude from some who carry. Kind of like some people I have crossed in life that get a power trip on when given authority. Most have met a guy who was a dork or whatever and became a cop or boss and turned into Johnny Badass. Some who have conceal and carry strike me similar~”

That lead to my personal feelings for why I do not carry a weapon. I have no idea why this would be offensive to you unless you would fall into the category of those who concern me~
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Old 05-21-2012, 11:05 AM   #3422
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if you carry....(I carry)....anyone who carries....you'd have to be severely ****ed in the head to actually START a fight while carrying! I mean like murdering psycho I don't give a **** kinda ****ed in the head. like, I'm gonna start a fight and if I start losing I'm gonna kill this guy kinda ****ed in the head. Z is a douche, but I don't think he's actually crazy. I don't see any way he started a physical altercation. but nobody was there and we don't know. I'd bet a large amount of money on it if it could be proved though. I'd bet the first physcal contact was initiated by T not Z.
He was told to not pursue.. He was trained to only be the eyes and ears of the police. The zimmerman knew he was goig outside of protocol. This is a guy with bravado who doesn't follow instructions.. Most neighborhood manuals, in fact, strictly forbid carrying while on duty.. That's for a reason.

Zimmerman does strike me as stupid. A complete wild card. He has a history of stalking people and being such a meathead that he does stupid things when he has a temper tantrum.

Frank, i completely respect your right to carry. I also love pit bulls. But we have to do something about morons who think they can be reckless because it makes good gun owners like you look bad. Most gun owners I know carry to protect themselves. Not to create situations where they may need to use it.

The police stated exactly what he should have done. He should have stayed in the car. If he didn't, and he needs to broadly announce that he is patrolling, and not some random resident looking to start trouble. I don't want meathead like this carrying guns regardless of whether he's at fault here or not, just as I don't want dumb people to own pit bulls. Zimmerman strikes me as a guy who carries so he can more bravely enforce his own vigilante justice. That's what cops are for, not untrained citizens who want to be cops.
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Old 05-21-2012, 11:11 AM   #3423
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He was told to not pursue.. He was trained to only be the eyes and ears of the police. The zimmerman knew he was goig outside of protocol. This is a guy with bravado who doesn't follow instructions.. Most neighborhood manuals, in fact, strictly forbid carrying while on duty.. That's for a reason.

Zimmerman does strike me as stupid. A complete wild card. He has a history of stalking people and being such a meathead that he does stupid things when he has a temper tantrum.

Frank, i completely respect your right to carry. I also love pit bulls. But we have to do something about morons who think they can be reckless because it makes good gun owners like you look bad. Most gun owners I know carry to protect themselves. Not to create situations where they may need to use it.

The police stated exactly what he should have done. He should have stayed in the car. If he didn't, and he needs to broadly announce that he is patrolling, and not some random resident looking to start trouble. I don't want meathead like this carrying guns regardless of whether he's at fault here or not, just as I don't want dumb people to own pit bulls. Zimmerman strikes me as a guy who carries so he can more bravely enforce his own vigilante justice. That's what cops are for, not untrained citizens who want to be cops.
They told Mr. Joe Horn the same thing, and it didn't really matter. He went outside and blew the guys head off who wasn't even an imminent threat nor on his property. He even said on the phone that he was going to kill the person. He didn't even get convicted, not even manslaughter, it was crazy.
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Old 05-21-2012, 11:33 AM   #3424
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They told Mr. Joe Horn the same thing, and it didn't really matter. He went outside and blew the guys head off who wasn't even an imminent threat nor on his property. He even said on the phone that he was going to kill the person. He didn't even get convicted, not even manslaughter, it was Texas.
I think you’re forgetting a very relevant fact about that story.
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Old 05-21-2012, 11:44 AM   #3425
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did we get a good old fashioned mob lynching out of this yet?
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Old 05-21-2012, 11:51 AM   #3426
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This could very well be my fate, if it is I am certain that I will meet that, with all that I am and all that I believe in. Which is to say I will stand my ground will honor. I will take that risk opposed to a life where I feel the need to carry a gun out of paranoia that someone may harm me, and I must then deliver a death warrant. I choose not to carry a gun with the concession that life is too dangerous to pursue without one~
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You chose a reply from an ongoing conversation to be offended. As far as people who are employed in occupations that lead them to dangerous situations, of course they should be armed. Below is the start of the conversation:
“I certainly am not in the Martin camp. However the kid he killed life is ruined. Zimmerman can move on and rebuild his life. It pisses me off that this will lead to riots, and that worthless shitbags took advantage of this situation. That said I hope those who choose to pack a gun grasp that doing so can lead to something like this. I have no issue with the right to carry, nor the right to defend yourself. I do pickup a cowboy attitude from some who carry. Kind of like some people I have crossed in life that get a power trip on when given authority. Most have met a guy who was a dork or whatever and became a cop or boss and turned into Johnny Badass. Some who have conceal and carry strike me similar~”

That lead to my personal feelings for why I do not carry a weapon. I have no idea why this would be offensive to you unless you would fall into the category of those who concern me~
yes I read the conversation. the two bolds in the first quote....I mean come on. it clearly insinuates that carriers are paranoid. it's as stupid as saying all black people love watermellon....whatever.

the bold from the second quote....I guess you are referring to my friends advice....it was for me not for
"people who are employed in occupations that lead them to dangerous situations".
it's pretty clear. not really understanding this response, but thanks for letting me know that cops should carry guns. awesome.

apparently you think I carry a gun becasue I'm paranoid. I find that laughable and maybe somewhat offensive. it's all good.

you can get a CCW and choose not to. may peace and happiness follow you all the days of your life.
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Old 05-21-2012, 12:55 PM   #3427
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Old 05-21-2012, 01:34 PM   #3428
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did we get a good old fashioned mob lynching out of this yet?
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Old 05-21-2012, 01:35 PM   #3429
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Ain't that the damn truth!!!!
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Old 05-21-2012, 01:36 PM   #3430
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yes I read the conversation. the two bolds in the first quote....I mean come on. it clearly insinuates that carriers are paranoid. it's as stupid as saying all black people love watermellon....whatever.

the bold from the second quote....I guess you are referring to my friends advice....it was for me not for
"people who are employed in occupations that lead them to dangerous situations".
it's pretty clear. not really understanding this response, but thanks for letting me know that cops should carry guns. awesome.

apparently you think I carry a gun becasue I'm paranoid. I find that laughable and maybe somewhat offensive. it's all good.

you can get a CCW and choose not to. may peace and happiness follow you all the days of your life.
I simply stated that some people I have talked to who carry a gun have a power trip, which is a truthful statement. As far as why you carry one, it has never crossed my mind. I do not know you, and this is the first we have talked about it. I do think it is a bit paranoid to feel the need to carry a gun everywhere you go. You do not, fine by me. I also find comparing this personal observation to a racist stereotype, is laughable to me. You appear to be putting in an effort to be offended~
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Old 05-21-2012, 01:52 PM   #3431
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I simply stated that some people I have talked to who carry a gun have a power trip, which is a truthful statement. As far as why you carry one, it has never crossed my mind. I do not know you, and this is the first we have talked about it. I do think it is a bit paranoid to feel the need to carry a gun everywhere you go. You do not, fine by me. I also find comparing this personal observation to a racist stereotype, is laughable to me. You appear to be putting in an effort to be offended~
OK truce. ain't trying to start a fight.

the "all carriers are paranoid" is a blanket statement. all racist comments are blanket statements. it's an apt comparison.

I’ll NEVER understand people who think the right to carry is wrong, or stupid, or paranoid.

If only she’d have had a concealed weapon on her. If I am ever in this situation…..I’ll have the CHANCE to change the outcome. God Bless Merka!

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Old 05-21-2012, 02:35 PM   #3432
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OK truce. ain't trying to start a fight.

the "all carriers are paranoid" is a blanket statement. all racist comments are blanket statements. it's an apt comparison.

I’ll NEVER understand people who think the right to carry is wrong, or stupid, or paranoid.

If only she’d have had a concealed weapon on her. If I am ever in this situation…..I’ll have the CHANCE to change the outcome. God Bless Merka!

No need for a truce. I have stated I have no problem with the right to carry or the right to self defense. I feel differently than you about the mindset of needing to carry a weapon at all times. I do find it silly to compare what I have said to stereotyping a race of people in a demeaning manner. We can agree to disagree or not. I am by no means offended or angry~
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I simply stated that some people I have talked to who carry a gun have a power trip, which is a truthful statement. As far as why you carry one, it has never crossed my mind. I do not know you, and this is the first we have talked about it. I do think it is a bit paranoid to feel the need to carry a gun everywhere you go. You do not, fine by me. I also find comparing this personal observation to a racist stereotype, is laughable to me. You appear to be putting in an effort to be offended~

You ever talk to anyone who does not carry a gun that have a power trip or is that reserved for only CCW people?
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Old 05-21-2012, 03:17 PM   #3434
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No need for a truce. I have stated I have no problem with the right to carry or the right to self defense. I feel differently than you about the mindset of needing to carry a weapon at all times. I do find it silly to compare what I have said to stereotyping a race of people in a demeaning manner. We can agree to disagree or not. I am by no means offended or angry~
agreed, the demeaning part, OK. I guess it's not exactly demeaning to me that you think I'm paranoid. incorrect...but not necessarily demeaning.

the FIRST thing I think of when I think of blanket statements is racist statements. that's all. you think carriers are paranoid. blanket statement.
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man I don't have a power trip. if anything carrying makes me so much less likely to be involved in any kind of confrontation. that would be irresponsible.
in a hypothetical situation where I'm unarmed and something happens that makes me decide that physical confrontation is necessary - put me in that same situation armed and I'd walk away. every time.
I ain't gonna try to beat somebodys ass with a gun in my pants. that's just stupid!
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