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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 05-21-2012, 03:27 PM   #3436
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You ever talk to anyone who does not carry a gun that have a power trip or is that reserved for only CCW people?

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I certainly am not in the Martin camp. However the kid he killed life is ruined. Zimmerman can move on and rebuild his life. It pisses me off that this will lead to riots, and that worthless shitbags took advantage of this situation. That said I hope those who choose to pack a gun grasp that doing so can lead to something like this. I have no issue with the right to carry, nor the right to defend yourself. I do pickup a cowboy attitude from some who carry. Kind of like some people I have crossed in life that get a power trip on when given authority. Most have met a guy who was a dork or whatever and became a cop or boss and turned into Johnny Badass. Some who have conceal and carry strike me similar~"

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I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6

No badass here & never the aggressor but assault me, try to rob me, try to hurt one of my family members and you will be shot.. It's that simple. I never show my concealed carry to anyone, I have never had to pull my concealed weapon on anyone or even close to it... I have gotten into heated arguments with people while carrying and never once did I think of shooting the person...

Bottom line is, don't put your hands on people.. I don't"


This is the exchange between you and I, which brought my viewpoint into question to begin with. Now you return with the attempt to appear to ask an innocent question. It is perplexing that you would attempt this tactic in a forum where I or anyone can simply pull up previous posts where the subject was broached and clearly answered...to you. It is poor form, and makes one wonder why you would need to try such a tacky ploy...did I strike a nerve?
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Old 05-21-2012, 03:29 PM   #3437
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agreed, the demeaning part, OK. I guess it's not exactly demeaning to me that you think I'm paranoid. incorrect...but not necessarily demeaning.

the FIRST thing I think of when I think of blanket statements is racist statements. that's all. you think carriers are paranoid. blanket statement.
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Old 05-21-2012, 03:29 PM   #3438
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He was told to not pursue..
No, he wasn't. Look, I have had the same thing happen to me while calling on drunk drivers. They tell you "we don't NEED you to pursue them" but then they keep asking for more info....like what streets/ turns etc.

Stop being dishonest...it seems you are just back peddling to 'win' an argument now instead of trying to be truthful.

Try calling the police on a drunk driver , they will tell you the same thing they told zimmerman, and me. Then they will keep asking info, and be appreciative of the help. Its called CYA.
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Old 05-21-2012, 03:34 PM   #3439
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Old 05-21-2012, 03:35 PM   #3440
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Old 05-21-2012, 03:46 PM   #3441
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No, he wasn't. Look, I have had the same thing happen to me while calling on drunk drivers. They tell you "we don't NEED you to pursue them" but then they keep asking for more info....like what streets/ turns etc.

Stop being dishonest...it seems you are just back peddling to 'win' an argument now instead of trying to be truthful.

Try calling the police on a drunk driver , they will tell you the same thing they told zimmerman, and me. Then they will keep asking info, and be appreciative of the help. Its called CYA.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/23/us...pagewanted=all
Zimmerman attended a meeting where he was specifically instructed not to ever ever confront anyone. He ignored protocol that night. And is accused of breaking that a few weeks before when he followed a black man all he way to his house. There is a powerpoint with a specific slide that proves wendy dorival isn't lying about this.

He received a manual. If he read he manual, and he would have learned he wasn't to carry a gun. Oh, and calling 911 for this stuff.. Just Plain rude.. Protocol is to call the cops.

He was reminded over the phone on his 911 call to probably not pursue.

He lives by his own rules. He is not the cops and shouldn't be aggressively trying to be one.
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Old 05-21-2012, 03:52 PM   #3442
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/23/us...pagewanted=all
Zimmerman attended a meeting where he was specifically instructed not to ever ever confront anyone. He ignored protocol that night. And is accused of breaking that a few weeks before when he followed a black man all he way to his house. There is a powerpoint with a specific slide that proves wendy dorival isn't lying about this.

He received a manual. If he read he manual, and he would have learned he wasn't to carry a gun. Oh, and calling 911 for this stuff.. Just Plain rude.. Protocol is to call the cops.

He was reminded over the phone on his 911 call to probably not pursue.

He lives by his own rules. He is not the cops and shouldn't be aggressively trying to be one.
That's all irrelevent once that kid started beating his head nto the concrete. He's also allowed to carry a gun under state and federal law.
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Old 05-21-2012, 04:00 PM   #3443
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"Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider
I certainly am not in the Martin camp. However the kid he killed life is ruined. Zimmerman can move on and rebuild his life. It pisses me off that this will lead to riots, and that worthless shitbags took advantage of this situation. That said I hope those who choose to pack a gun grasp that doing so can lead to something like this. I have no issue with the right to carry, nor the right to defend yourself. I do pickup a cowboy attitude from some who carry. Kind of like some people I have crossed in life that get a power trip on when given authority. Most have met a guy who was a dork or whatever and became a cop or boss and turned into Johnny Badass. Some who have conceal and carry strike me similar~"

"I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6

No badass here & never the aggressor but assault me, try to rob me, try to hurt one of my family members and you will be shot.. It's that simple. I never show my concealed carry to anyone, I have never had to pull my concealed weapon on anyone or even close to it... I have gotten into heated arguments with people while carrying and never once did I think of shooting the person...

Bottom line is, don't put your hands on people.. I don't"

This is the exchange between you and I, which brought my viewpoint into question to begin with. Now you return with the attempt to appear to ask an innocent question. It is perplexing that you would attempt this tactic in a forum where I or anyone can simply pull up previous posts where the subject was broached and clearly answered...to you. It is poor form, and makes one wonder why you would need to try such a tacky ploy...did I strike a nerve?
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Old 05-21-2012, 04:16 PM   #3444
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Have you ever thought that maybe it could just be you that's the asshole and not the person you are stereotyping?
I think that’s a given by virtue of the fact he’s a Raiders fan.
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Old 05-21-2012, 04:19 PM   #3445
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He was reminded over the phone on his 911 call to probably not pursue.
No he wasnt. You are either dumb, or intentionally dishonest.
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Old 05-21-2012, 04:22 PM   #3446
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Your blanket statements don't sit to well with me to be honest... The ones who carry that you know about may indeed be cocky or arrogant or however you perceive them but for ever 1 person you know are carrying there are hundreds you don't... Do you sit in restaurants and look around at people and say, damn, that person looks like an ass, I bet he has a CCW .. I don't personally know many people that carry but there are assholes in any group... Have you ever thought that maybe it could just be you that's the asshole and not the person you are stereotyping?
Nice try at a recovery. However your attempt was clearly exposed as disingenuous. Strangely you only resorted to attacking me when I called you out for the "innocent question" tactic. I never said "all, or majority" or even implied it. I did not accuse you of anything. When I originally replied, you understood my post exactly as I intended it. Your aggressive reply after the silly question to something already answered, asserting I am the asshole would lead one to conclude that:
A. You believe that no one who carries a gun would possibly have a power trip.
B. I struck a nerve and, you reacted with anger and name calling.
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Nice try at a recovery. However your attempt was clearly exposed as disingenuous. Strangely you only resorted to attacking me when I called you out for the "innocent question" tactic. I never said "all, or majority" or even implied it. I did not accuse you of anything. When I originally replied, you understood my post exactly as I intended it. Your aggressive reply after the silly question to something already answered, asserting I am the asshole would lead one to conclude that:
A. You believe that no one who carries a gun would possibly have a power trip.
B. I struck a nerve and, you reacted with anger and name calling.
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Who the hell is attacking you? RNR ... Dude you are paranoid... I am not name calling you.

Exactly how many CCW people do you know that are not on the internet?
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Old 05-21-2012, 04:37 PM   #3448
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Who the hell is attacking you? RNR ... Dude you are paranoid... I am not name calling you.

Exactly how many CCW people do you know that are not on the internet?
Calling me an asshole or implying that I am because of the observation. I know around a dozen back home. My son has one although he rarely carries one unless going to the range. Now that you have pointed I am paranoid, I will now carry an gun where ever I travel on the Internet~
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My son has one although he rarely carries one unless going to the range. ~
About the only place I ever regularly carried is when I’d go fishing out at the river. Not because I was afraid of the wildlife but because you just never know what kind of meth smoking freak is going to show up out there.
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Old 05-21-2012, 04:52 PM   #3450
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About the only place I ever regularly carried is when I’d go fishing out at the river. Not because I was afraid of the wildlife but because you just never know what kind of meth smoking freak is going to show up out there.
That is the mentality my son has. He likes to have the option, however he finds it to be a hassle most of the time~
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