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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 05-21-2012, 08:39 PM   #3466
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He's a nutjob
The only nutjobs are those who declare him thusly, despite never having met the man, talking to him, or having all of the facts in the case. You really are worse than he is, regardless of whether you can see that or not.
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Old 05-21-2012, 08:43 PM   #3467
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The only nutjobs are those who declare him thusly, despite never having met the man, talking to him, or having all of the facts in the case. You really are worse than he is, regardless of whether you can see that or not.
yeah, zilla, you're worse...

you must have shot two guys to death...
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Old 05-21-2012, 08:48 PM   #3468
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yeah, zilla, you're worse...

you must have shot two guys to death...
Yes because according to ****ing moron, single brain celled idiots like go bowe, if you kill someone, you are a bad person...no matter what the circumstances....self defense...meh....youre a horrible guy.

Are you ****ing retarded? Seriously.
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Old 05-21-2012, 08:53 PM   #3469
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The only nutjobs are those who declare him thusly, despite never having met the man, talking to him, or having all of the facts in the case. You really are worse than he is, regardless of whether you can see that or not.
This is a football forum. People talk about athletes, politicians, and celebrities.

I think a lot of athletes are dicks, a lot of politicians are scumbags, and a lot of celebrities are douche bags. Most of them are people I've never met.
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Old 05-21-2012, 08:55 PM   #3470
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This is a football forum. People talk about athletes, politicians, and celebrities.

I think a lot of athletes are dicks, a lot of politicians are scumbags, and a lot of celebrities are douche bags. Most of them are people I've never met.
So basically you base your opinions by other people telling you what to think....with no standard of proof.


I could understand thinking someone is a douche if theyve been convicted of a crime, proven a liar, thief etc......


But just based on what you are saying, you are a bigger douche than the people you complain about, by your own admission.
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Old 05-21-2012, 09:33 PM   #3471
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So basically you base your opinions by other people telling you what to think....with no standard of proof.


I could understand thinking someone is a douche if theyve been convicted of a crime, proven a liar, thief etc......


But just based on what you are saying, you are a bigger douche than the people you complain about, by your own admission.
This is a football forum. People talk about athletes, celebrities, and people in the news. The majority of the time negatively. I didn't realize i was the only one that did this. I must have misjudged everyone.

And no, I don't base my opinion on what other people think. I'm one of the biggest stubborn asses on this forum. But thank you for the compliment.
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Old 05-21-2012, 09:33 PM   #3472
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Yes because according to ****ing moron, single brain celled idiots like go bowe, if you kill someone, you are a bad person...no matter what the circumstances....self defense...meh....youre a horrible guy.

Are you ****ing retarded? Seriously.
duh, i'd retarted shoor nuff, mr knowitall...

i love how you try to twist what is said by those who disagree with whatever batshit idea that you are espousing at the minute...

you're not very good at it...
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Old 05-21-2012, 09:35 PM   #3473
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So basically you base your opinions by other people telling you what to think....with no standard of proof.


I could understand thinking someone is a douche if theyve been convicted of a crime, proven a liar, thief etc......


But just based on what you are saying, you are a bigger douche than the people you complain about, by your own admission.
And by the way, glad you came to Trayvon's defense when people have been blasting him for being a thug. But then, those people probably met Trayvon, so it's probably okay.
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Old 05-21-2012, 09:59 PM   #3474
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And by the way, glad you came to Trayvon's defense when people have been blasting him for being a thug. But then, those people probably met Trayvon, so it's probably okay.
I was defending the person who was in need of defense.......Trayvon had plenty of help....the media photo-shopping dates off of pictures, telling us that he was an angel.....NO ONE HAS ACCUSED TM OF A CRIME. He isnt the one who needs defense.

The thug stuff was stuff that mainly the COMMUNITY discovered (anonymous etc...)..like his twitter account, facebook stuff...etc.......things that TM posted and i have seen with my own eyes.

If someone said something untrue about TM, I wouldve defended him....that just isn't how this case went down....not because TM is such a thug, but because of the way his family and their lawyers demonized GZ.

I absolutely will and do withold final judgment, of both sides, until all the facts come out at the trial. So far though, the only person entitled to a defense iS GZ. That idea is supported by law.
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I was defending the person who was in need of defense.......Trayvon had plenty of help....the media photo-shopping dates off of pictures, telling us that he was an angel.....NO ONE HAS ACCUSED TM OF A CRIME. He isnt the one who needs defense.

The thug stuff was stuff that mainly the COMMUNITY discovered (anonymous etc...)..like his twitter account, facebook stuff...etc.......things that TM posted and i have seen with my own eyes.

If someone said something untrue about TM, I wouldve defended him....that just isn't how this case went down....not because TM is such a thug, but because of the way his family and their lawyers demonized GZ.

I absolutely will and do withold final judgment, of both sides, until all the facts come out at the trial. So far though, the only person entitled to a defense iS GZ. That idea is supported by law.
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This is a football forum. People talk about athletes, celebrities, and people in the news. The majority of the time negatively. I didn't realize i was the only one that did this. I must have misjudged everyone.
Oh i see, if a lot of other stupid people come to rash conclusions and spread gossip and drama about innocent people who are so until PROVEN guilty, it makes your stupidity ok.

For the record, I have been on these forums for over 2 years, and I disagree with you. Most people here joke around....the difference is youre not joking....youre dead serious, angry, butthurt over this issue. You seem to have something personal against GZ and claim he is a nutjob etc...with no proof.
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As for people killing one another. Take a look at these statistics by blacks killing other blacks.
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Each year, roughly 7,000 blacks are murdered. Ninety-four percent of the time, the murderer is another black person. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, between 1976 and 2011, there were 279,384 black murder victims. Using the 94 percent figure means that 262,621 were murdered by other blacks. Though blacks are 13 percent of the nation's population, they account for more than 50 percent of homicide victims. Nationally, black homicide victimization rate is six times that of whites, and in some cities, it's 22 times that of whites. Coupled with being most of the nation's homicide victims, blacks are most of the victims of violent personal crimes, such as assault and robbery.
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I think the attention this case is getting outweighs what blacks should be focusing on more. So does Walter Williams.

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A much larger issue is how might we interpret the deafening silence about the day-to-day murder in black communities compared with the national uproar over the killing of Trayvon Martin.

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He's a nutjob. There's enough public information about the guy to make that conclusion. I

It doesn't make him guilty. It just makes him a nutjob.
The real nutjobs are those foaming at the mouth over this incident in blatant disregard for much larger problems regarding black's being killed.
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I was defending the person who was in need of defense.......Trayvon had plenty of help....the media photo-shopping dates off of pictures, telling us that he was an angel.....NO ONE HAS ACCUSED TM OF A CRIME. He isnt the one who needs defense.

The thug stuff was stuff that mainly the COMMUNITY discovered (anonymous etc...)..like his twitter account, facebook stuff...etc.......things that TM posted and i have seen with my own eyes.

If someone said something untrue about TM, I wouldve defended him....that just isn't how this case went down....not because TM is such a thug, but because of the way his family and their lawyers demonized GZ.

I absolutely will and do withold final judgment, of both sides, until all the facts come out at the trial. So far though, the only person entitled to a defense iS GZ. That idea is supported by law.
well, at least you got that part right...

he doesn't need a defense because he's ****ing dead! BRAVO!

your superior intellect and education have prevailed again...

bravo...
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Go bowe hasnt heard that people are innocent until proven guilty and entitled to a defense......not surprising.



Charging a guy with second degree murder over this incident is not enough of a try to 'defend' TM for the dumb masses......
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Go bowe hasnt heard that people are innocent until proven guilty and entitled to a defense......not surprising.



Charging a guy with second degree murder over this incident is not enough of a try to 'defend' TM for the dumb masses......
not surprising?

hell, the supremes haven't heard that their interpretation of the law is wrong and yours is right, have they?

and you haven't heard that dead guys don't need a defense, because you and only you, we're so blessed to have you to guide our poor ignorant efforts, yes you and only you have seen the light and know the true truth in all matters...

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